OOC Chat

[Ramano]

I'll tweak the Missions accordingly, but here's what I have so far:

Milestone 1 (4 Days): System joins your faction's economic network BUT is still neutral (it will protect itself, not you).
Milestone 2 (8 Days): System joins your faction's political network AND will defend you if you are attacked.
Milestone 3 (12 Days): You replace the Space PDF and build a Fleet Depot/Embassy.
Milestone 4 (16 Days + Remaining Construction Time): All ground facilities are scrapped, build a Sector Facility, and the planet is fully yours (System Features can be used. Planets with Amnesty can allow you to build facilities there and take advantage of their System Features but not the System's industrial output.).

If more than twice the allotted time to complete a Milestone passes by and none of the associated actions have begun or are in progress, then that Milestone fails and the Mission is failed (you must start over).

Add that time frame to this system and I think it works out.

[Ramano]

2. Combat Space Patrols prevent any units of the same type from attacking Capital Ships in the same Grid Space. Starfighters block other Starfighters, Aux block other Aux. Starfighters cannot block Aux, nor can Aux block Starfighters.

Ok so before I proceed into any other impromptu rule "interpretations" here, what does this mean exactly. Can I attack his aux group with fighters then cause im not going after a capital ship? And vice versa?

[Ramano]

Let it never be underestimated the value of paid for units vs free units! Still a tad concerned with what the return fire from that cloud is going to look like, but at least it will only get 1.

Edit: And you may ask yourself why? Well my friend, yes, those were all free units, and a lot of damage that could have gone to things which needed to be paid for... but you just saw how much damage my support screen did... yeah its getting at least 1 more shot... and you have no protection against it. MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[SWSF Hale]

Starfighters and Auxiliaries can be targeted at will. The only time CSP comes into question is if you are trying to attack a Capital Ship in the same grid and that grid has units on CSP that would prevent you from doing so.

Hypothetical scenario:

1. ISD-I Imperial is in X-1 with 6 TIE/F Squads and 36 LSHUs on CSP.
2. (12) X-Wing Squadrons attack LSHUs in X-1 and deal 1440 damage (all LSHUs have been dealt lethal damage, therefore the AUX CSP has been satisfied).
3. 24 Rebel LSHUs attack the ISD.

Note that if ANY unit on CSP is dealt lethal damage, it doesn't matter who or what attacked - it is considered "engaged" for purposes of CSP. Otherwise you would have to follow the normal 1-to-1 engagement rule to satisfy the CSP.

Make sense?

[Ramano]

Lmao, oh I already knew that. I was being sarcastic. Little bit of the old Rambo still left, sorry.

Edit: For the record though, let it not be said I am doing my damnedest not to be like that anymore though. Even during a full out near nervous breakdown I still stopped before it went over the edge into a complete and utter catastrophe, and fully abided by any and all rulings!

[SWSF Hale]

And since when did Lord Algoz become the Emperor? lol -- Per the quasi-canon Timeline, the Galactic Empire is still being run by Grand Vizier Sate Pestage and Director of Imp Intel Ysanne Isard.

You Rebel types are giving him more acknowledgement than the Remnant!!

[Ramano]

I was under the impression the person in charge of the GE was the Emperor? Seems rather goofy the Emperor would be answering to someone. Kinda defeats the purpose of being Emperor dont it?

Edit: Also, after this battle we have to discuss these shuttles. If they are going to be 4 UCR they need to be 2-2 movement. It makes no sense my shuttles are manuverable enough to stop mid flight and spin on their axis, yet could not even keep up with my old Bulk Cruisers.

On another note, dont you just love it when 2 uber-vets go after each other lmao. Both of us are so afraid of what the other can do we are gunna rip these rules into pieces looking for an advantage, haha.

[SWSF Hale]

Nah man, Dem's character is a Dark Lord of the Sith and commander of the GE military. If he takes over Coruscant later on in this game, THEN he would become Emperor - but the current status quo of Pestage/Isard running the GE, with Pellaeon/Council running the IR is in effect. Same applies to the New Republic's Mothma/Ackbar combo, etc. And nobody knows who's in charge of the Rebels, lol.

[Ramano]

Well im in charge of the rebels. Answerable to no one but myself and Ares, God of War, who blankets his bed with the skin of men he's killed.

[SWSF Hoppus]

Sorry Hale but Eriadu ruling is bs. It was an honest mistake and his post should be able to be edited to that the attack takes place as he intended - obviously the attack was his goal, and he would have moved his ships closer had he realized. He overlooked a stat. A battle shouldnt be determined because once person made an honest mistake. he isn't trying to CHANGE his attack. just keep it the same.

EDIT: and this is my only protest. But I wanted to make my opinoin on the matter public. Specifically that since he doesn't want to change the majority of his post, just the location of ships NOT in combat, he should be allowed so that his original post may stand. If he wanted to change his attack around considerably I too would be opposed. I hope the difference between the two makes sense to you all.

[Dementat]

It isn't BS. At best, he could have gotten his LAAT/c within range by moving his DREAD. If the MC80 had moved, then launched the ATRs, and then the ATRs moved, they would have still been a grid away and out of range, no matter what path they took, as the MC80 has only a speed of 1.

What difference does it make? The auxiliary are still alive. They still deal the same amount of damage. They will still receive return fire if attacked. Nothing has changed except the extension of an awesome battle that will be decided when Hop exits hyperspace. And no matter what the result, it will still cost you more than it cost me :-)

[Ramano]

3 times, this is bullshit and im calling bias. At no time in this game has a post been thrown out like that, and you can piss off now. You tried to change the rules on me AFTER we entered HS. You allow him to have PDF that its been discussed before he does not have, and no you just toss out my post?! Done.

[SWSF Hale]

We've all seen games when the Ref makes a call we don't like and think its bullshit from our vantage point. Thank you for throwing the BS flag on my call, but I've been very patient with Ramano in the past when it has come to this sort of thing and very willing to even let an "honest mistake" slide completely without making a ruling, but this a different situation.

It's not a huge impact one way or another anyhow. Those shuttles will still be able to attack later on, they'll still participate in the fullest capacity Ramano wants/needs them to and do all the damage they were designed to do. The entire battle will not be determined over the initial attack of two dozen or so auxiliary craft.

I'm not tossing your post out Ramano... I'm letting it stand while making a ruling on the minor parts of it where you over-exerted yourself. Don't Ackbar out on me now. It's only two dozen AUX we're dealing with here. Lando up and get back in the game.

[Ramano]

ITS HALF MY FUCKING ATTACK!!! And its never happened before, why now?! Why is the line all of a sudden drawn here? Why not back when we had out battle, or at Bespin? You have outright tried to change the rules to fuck this attack over, you allowed a bullshit loophole that EVERYONE knows was not the intent of the rules, and now you just fucked my post with the "Oh well, quit making mistakes" bullshit line. Whatever dude.

You had it out for this attack right from the start, and if you gunna sit here and say otherwise, im outright calling you a liar! You saw an opportunity to get every fleet in the galaxy destroyed leaving you unchecked, and your manipulating/allowing manipulation of things that will see that happen. Im not stupid, ive simmed longer then you've been walking and talking, I know bullshit when I see and smell it. Ive used this tactic before, so you can understand I have some experience with it.

Edit: And as far as redoing entire posts being a problem, thats kind of funny. You had no problem allowing it when I attacked Thyferra when I fucked up how movement worked with my NSBCs. In fact, you told me to go back and completely redo the post. So, that would be one of them rules that, so long as an imperial player isnt being attacked its ok, but if you attack an imp, by god your shit better be perfect or you just get ignored.

Please, tell me how I should not be thinking your protecting him?

[SWSF Hale]

Dude chill. It's just a game. I want to see everybody have fun and battle each other out. I didn't say shit when my ISD-II went down cause I fucked up and we both didn't break any rules.

Your post isn't "fucked up". You still did tons of damage and those AUX can quite easily move to where they need to be next round and do it all over again.

Please do me a favor... let my ruling stand, and then wait today to write one more battle post. If at the end of that post you aren't where you want to be in the battle in terms of damage and mayhem, then don't attack again and sound the retreat instead.

Edit:

Look man, me and you go way back to GR. I was "AdamSmash" remember? You were my CO, and we both had Victory Escort Carriers and fucked shit up. So please do not patronize me with accusations of bias and favoritism. If you're attacking a neutral PDF and you make mistakes, I tend not to give a shit as much because it's not making an offense against another player.

That's where I draw the line.

It would have been a completely different situation if Dementat said "okay, Ramano, you can fix your post and I'll fix mine", but if he doesn't want to do that, what is the least I could do as a GM? The answer is: fix the smallest things first.

What can you do about it? Roll with it, learn, and move on.