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OOC Cantina / Re: Andor Season 2
« Last post by Syren on Yesterday at 09:41:53 PM »
Wait, is Kleya...? Nooo, whaaa

My darling ISB mo, a human shield. Pouring one out for your sassy ass, babes.

Respect to the officer for giving Partagaz a moment.

They done Dedra diiirty.

Bix! Goddamn, I'm good. It's almost like I've been writing a highly dramatic Holo drama for more than a decade.

Mothma roughing it - I do like that they bridged where she was prior and where she is in R1, tonally speaking. I was always mystified as to why she wasn't more assertive in R1, but even the rebellion has skeptical bureaucrats.

Still digesting, but yeah, this was solid. Prestige TV Star Wars.

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OOC Cantina / Re: Andor Season 2
« Last post by gallpizi on May 14, 2025, 11:35:41 PM »
I get what you are saying Med and when I was halfway through Ep 2 I was feeling the same way. And then the storytelling choice grew heavily on me. I enjoy that we don't know. It leaves them room to expand in print media. It leaves it up to our imagination. I don't need to see it all. I've been around PTSD enough that I don't need to see Bix between 3-4 all fucked up in the head. I don't need to see Mon do more than get drunk and dance and forget she allowed her childhood friend to be killed and her daughter married off. 

I like that we can imagine it as we want.
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OOC Cantina / Re: Andor Season 2
« Last post by Medivh on May 14, 2025, 05:48:00 PM »
Same - I only watched ep 10 yesterday and will space the others out this week before settling in with a R1 rewatch to cap it off.

See, this is where I think the truncated seasons hurts the show - what we got here with Luthen and Kleya's relationship building toward the inevitable ending/action she would need to perform in service to the cause would have been far more beautifully spun over the course of a season, weaving their history in and out, which would then make the outcome hit much harder. Not that it didn't - it absolutely did.

Kleya is a badass - never underestimate what a gal can do with just an outfit change. Once I saw her in those heeled ankle boots gathering herself in the empty safehouse for what must be done, I was like, yeah, girl. Yeah. You got this. You can do this.

I very much enjoyed the banter between Dedra and Luthen, she almost came off as likeable for a moment, but we all know better.

Previously, I was a bit disappointed with how they handled Bix, so I'm hoping they may tie something up with the last two episodes. I thought it was kind of cheap to have her just bounce, without even a pregnancy reveal or something equally dramatic. We never got to see her heal or be swallowed by the trauma - but it did look like she pulled herself out of it, made a chill life with our boy despite the rising rebellion, but ultimately knew his focus would be split if she stayed. It didn't ring as much of agency as I would have liked, but sad boy Andor is a dangerous Andor.

Excited to see how they end this!
Since you haven't see it all, I will do my best to avoid spoilers.
I will say this:  I liked the last three arcs, and I really enjoyed those episodes.
I did not like episodes 1, 2, 3,  - that Andor went on a mission is cool, but didn't add to the story.  If there was a whole season of micro-missions, it might have made sense, but for a whole arc on stealing a fighter (which by the way, didn't show up in later episodes, so it didn't move the story forward), seemed like a waste, especially since that is the only thing we saw him do that entire year. That Mon Mothma married off her daughter was yes, a continuation from season 1, but again, that was it.
If year 1 had been a full season, we'd have seen when her close childhood friend mysteriously died in a tragic accident, and Mon Mothma grieving over it, and feeling conflicted for the role she had in his death. Nope, just skip ahead.

Bix - Bix got her revenge (episode 6, I think).  But in 4 years, that was the only affirmative thing she did.  In 1-3, she was waiting for Andor, in 4-6, she was, in the safehouse, largely, waiting for Andor, in 7-9, she was on Yavin, yup, waiting for Andor.  We know she was dealing with PTSD.  But that doesn't cover half of what she did.  We assume she had recovered enough that between 6 and 7, she was out on missions, helping set up Yavin, something.  But no narrative follow up there.  Just the next bounce to a year later

The same is true of the remaining arcs. There was so much reaction we didn't get to see; follow up after the Ghorman massacre (or even lead up to the Ghorman massacre).

The last three episodes - again, no spoilers - were satisfying because we know there is a continuation, we know exactly what happens next (Rogue 1, ANH, etc.).
And I liked how they resolved certain characters, and also resolved some characters without killing them off.  The rebellion is far and wide and many players, etc. etc.

But I would have invested in five years of watching five seasons, and wanted to see more.


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OOC Cantina / Re: Andor Season 2
« Last post by Syren on May 14, 2025, 04:50:39 PM »
Same - I only watched ep 10 yesterday and will space the others out this week before settling in with a R1 rewatch to cap it off.

See, this is where I think the truncated seasons hurts the show - what we got here with Luthen and Kleya's relationship building toward the inevitable ending/action she would need to perform in service to the cause would have been far more beautifully spun over the course of a season, weaving their history in and out, which would then make the outcome hit much harder. Not that it didn't - it absolutely did.

Kleya is a badass - never underestimate what a gal can do with just an outfit change. Once I saw her in those heeled ankle boots gathering herself in the empty safehouse for what must be done, I was like, yeah, girl. Yeah. You got this. You can do this.

I very much enjoyed the banter between Dedra and Luthen, she almost came off as likeable for a moment, but we all know better.

Previously, I was a bit disappointed with how they handled Bix, so I'm hoping they may tie something up with the last two episodes. I thought it was kind of cheap to have her just bounce, without even a pregnancy reveal or something equally dramatic. We never got to see her heal or be swallowed by the trauma - but it did look like she pulled herself out of it, made a chill life with our boy despite the rising rebellion, but ultimately knew his focus would be split if she stayed. It didn't ring as much of agency as I would have liked, but sad boy Andor is a dangerous Andor.

Excited to see how they end this!
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OOC Cantina / Re: Andor Season 2
« Last post by gallpizi on May 14, 2025, 12:54:45 AM »
Just finished it all. Man. I...I honestly don't know where to begin. I have so many thoughts and a bit of tears shed....damn.
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OOC Cantina / Re: Andor Season 2
« Last post by SWSF Eidolon on May 13, 2025, 10:38:07 PM »
Just did Episode 10.  Putting off final 2 for at least tomorrow, savoring it.

We got hit with the time jump right away, But WHOA (a la Black Rob).  Best yet.  It's really coming together.

So glad we got Kleya and Luthen's backstory and the finish.. I was in denial it was coming up until she hit the window shades but once she got to the floor I remembered 'the room is only thing keeping him alive' and thought "Naaaaah...."



Also Luthen did in Lonni??? man, the wife and kids reference didn't even save him.

Then Luthen's seppuku move? dude.  He's teaching us something about dedication to a cause, puts an asterisk next to ruthless in his legacy description.  It seemed something obviously was going to happen with the bleeder but crazy.


I hope Kleya survives the next two episodes.  She'd make a sweet lead in any medium of story.



I know Gilroy said he gave a lot of years to his Star Wars work (I just got privy to fact he was heavily involved in R1) and was gonna do other stuff but really hope they rope him in for something more.
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OOC Cantina / Re: Andor Season 2
« Last post by SWSF Eidolon on May 13, 2025, 06:25:47 PM »
That is an interesting tid bit Med. (We tend to watch Fallon if up that late)



I just read a very cool article about a query I had but forgot, the blaster Vel picks up from table at Yavin and the guy who claims it, it was Cassians blaster he took from Syril early on.  After escaping from Narkina 5 they go back to Niamos where Cassian gives Ruescott Melshi the blaster and they split up for better chance to survive.  Melshi apparently made it to Yavin.  Vel recgonized the blaster from the Aldhani heist where Cassian is using it and is asked about it.  One guy notes its corpo gear, Cas says he didn't get a name.  Later as he and Syril are tussling at Ghorman Massacre, he asks him.. "Who are you?"

The blaster recognition scene is meant as breadcrumb, or more of a flare I guess, to lead you back.  Very good writing.  Quality egg.
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OOC Cantina / Re: Andor Season 2
« Last post by Medivh on May 13, 2025, 10:10:21 AM »
     Kleya seems at times more capable than Luthen lately and def more than any sort of subordinate, an equal co conspirator.

The actor who plays Luthen, Stellan Skarsgard is an amazing actor, but we know he had a health issue "a few years" ago. He had a stroke at some point, that he's said made it harder for him to memorize lines. 
He was interviewed on the Colbert show earlier this week, and I noticed that Colbert carried the interview, with Skarsgard actually saying very little.

I wonder if they elevated Kleya and reduced Luthen's lines and presence in Season 2 to help cover for that difficulty?
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OOC Cantina / Re: Andor Season 2
« Last post by SWSF Eidolon on May 12, 2025, 04:41:13 PM »

   The Dedra Syril arc.  Wow.  I was not expecting it to become so integral nor go so wrong for Syril.  What a C.  Forget Palpatine, Death to Dedra.


   But very awesome series.  The world building has been just incredible.


   Overall the whole workings of Luthen/Kleya network and disparate groups in rebellion, the behavior of the Empire, the false flag build up.  It's pretty interesting.  Both sides are giving each other exactly what they want.



   The time jumps caught me by surprise at first but provide some necessary unwritten depth to the evolution of everyone.  Also leave plenty of room to imagination and probably eventual licensed material for the inbewteens.



    I had also expected Mon and Cas' senate exit to require a little more than fast walking, three or four blaster shots and a coat change.  Since the intent was already to deprive Cas the glory and give it to Gold Squadron delivering Mon to Yavin, they could have gone through some trash compactor type nonsense and she gets to clean up before her stately arrival. Ultimately though, the incompetence of Imperial action to prevent the whole thing can also be chalked up to Palpatine's devious scheming.  It better serves the agenda of total power through dissolution of the senate.  Going back to everyone giving each other what they want.


    That's a cool note on the Messenger designation and final R1 quote Gal!


    Kleya seems at times more capable than Luthen lately and def more than any sort of subordinate, an equal co conspirator.



Whats Left?

    Hope we see the Declaration of Rebellion by Mothma in final 3 episodes.  Also some kind of more development or closure on Bixs disappearance and her and Cas' relationship.  I hope/think we prob got one more time jump between Episode 11 and 12, that will put Cas more on direct lead in to R1.
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OOC Cantina / Re: Skeleton Crew (**Potential Spoilers**)
« Last post by gallpizi on May 11, 2025, 09:58:48 AM »
Ya don’t like the Vong? Boo you! 
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