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Re: GCW: OOC
« Reply #1605 on: November 19, 2012, 11:49:42 AM »
Happy Birthday Karen! to the only die hard vage bearing simmer moving ever closer to menopause!

Sto Lat!   

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    Sto lat, sto lat,
    Niech żyje, żyje nam.
    Sto lat, sto lat,
    Niech żyje, żyje nam,
    Jeszcze raz, jeszcze raz, niech żyje, żyje nam,
    Niech żyje nam!
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Re: GCW: OOC
« Reply #1606 on: November 19, 2012, 01:40:26 PM »
-Hands her some black balloons and a card that says over the hill- Happy birthday Syren!

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« Reply #1607 on: November 19, 2012, 02:00:35 PM »
I'll have to get my wife to translate that Polish.

But otherwise Happy Birthday Kare-Bear!
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Re: GCW: OOC
« Reply #1608 on: November 19, 2012, 02:03:29 PM »
Happy birthday Syren, enjoy your day!

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« Reply #1609 on: November 19, 2012, 03:22:53 PM »
I'll have to get my wife to translate that Polish.

It's our multi-purpose celebration song!

Sto lat = A Hundred years

   Some exclusive english speakers think it's Polish Birthday song, but we sing that shit for anything and everything  ;D

   
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Re: GCW: OOC
« Reply #1610 on: November 19, 2012, 05:07:38 PM »
Yaaaaay! Thanks guys! It's been a good day so far. I'm actually not freaking out about the age thing due to my boss, the spiteful old queen with so much botox that he can barely make expressions. It's terrifying. I can barely sit across from him in meetings without staring. There is something to be said for aging gracefully. It happens. We roll with it. Life is good. To health and happiness!
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« Reply #1611 on: November 19, 2012, 06:27:09 PM »
Happy Birthday, Karen.
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« Reply #1612 on: November 21, 2012, 01:35:07 AM »
I will have relatively little access to a computer over the next 4 days, and will have access to none of my files. Everyone enjoy your Thanksgiving and I will see you after.
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Re: GCW: OOC
« Reply #1613 on: November 21, 2012, 09:06:54 AM »
You too man. Happy Indian slaughter day! ;)

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« Reply #1614 on: November 21, 2012, 09:17:53 AM »
You too man. Happy Indian slaughter day! ;)
It's more like "Happy 'thanks for sharing your food with us and in return we give you small pox and steal your land' day!"
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« Reply #1615 on: November 21, 2012, 09:37:25 AM »
You too man. Happy Indian slaughter day! ;)
It's more like "Happy 'thanks for sharing your food with us and in return we give you small pox and steal your land' day!"

Indian Slaughter Day? is that some sort of Pakistani state holiday?

Happy European Colonial Imperialism and gentrification of the land day to all!  Remember someone has to get stepped on for you to climb up!  But hey, that was sooo long ago.  Let's focus on condemning criminal land grabs and marginalization of a native people from the 20th century onward =)
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« Reply #1616 on: November 21, 2012, 11:10:28 AM »
Actually, the day we are celebrating as thanksgiving we killed something like 10,000 native americans and had a feast on their land with their stuff. The few that were actually there were slaves, not distinguished guests, lol. What you were taught in school was a lie. Not a misconstrued fact, not mistaken information, it is an outright lie. Trust me as a person who had family there, ive read the letters from the first hand accounts. Our ancestors were little more then cavemen with muskets...

And really, has anything changed? The technology continues to advance but the mentality persists on. Given then opportunity people will hold power over those without. And while that mentality remains, we have reached the plateau of what our species is capable of. So we either continue as we are now, and we will stagnate which will lead to the eventual end of our species, whether through greed or simply time. But, if we some how figure out a way to get rid of that mentality from our societies, then we have the chance to truly evolve, and our species may yet have hope of achieving full space fairing status, in which we are simply too spread out to ever be eradicated.

The movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still" had the best phrase for it: "If the planet dies, you die with it. But if you die... the planet will live."

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« Reply #1617 on: November 21, 2012, 12:39:04 PM »
For some good Wiki reading on all of this, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale

Modern theorists suggest that Earth civilization is transitioning from a Type 0 to a Type 1 civilization, as we are still dependent on our planet for energy.

As far as Thanksgiving goes, I believe the native tribes in America were victims of civilization. A good history student will notice that there is this overwhelming wave of progressive determinism that is moving through time, culture, and science. Cultures and nations rise and fall, yet civilization itself keeps progressing onward... towards what, we might imagine?

It would be foolish to think that the native tribes were to survive European colonialists as much as Gallic, Celtic, and Germanic tribes survived the Roman Empire. For the native tribes here in America, their fate was inevitable - even if the ethics and methods of European colonialists were amoral. So yes, we can look to the past and shame ourselves, but I say the present is more pressing. Today, the marginalization (both internally and externally) of cultures and populations continues.

Some say the Native Americans today have the last laugh... they are taking the white man to their casinos and profiting from their misfortune, but yet many of the Native Americans are still suffering as second-class citizens, even when they can help themselves.

So yes, we can sarcastically wish each other a Happy Thanksgiving, but if you read into the actual history of Thanksgiving, it has nothing to do with being chummy with Indians and everything to do with celebrating gratitude for what we have. Every culture has its own Thanksgiving-style (or harvest festival) holiday as well, so to attache any religiosity to the holiday (even if it began as such) would be in vain.

I chose to be positive, to be happy, and to celebrate and give thanks for what I have and the people in my life.

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« Reply #1618 on: November 21, 2012, 01:10:21 PM »
A very well thought out point I will have to put some time into pondering. But I still choose to call it happy indian slaughter day, lol.

However, I hold no more shame for what my forefathers have done then I do for the egyptians and mayans performing human sacrifice. Remember, at one time it was socially acceptable to marry 10yr old girls. And im sure in time many of the values we cling to will be looked upon rather oddly as well. I was merely commenting on the irony of wishing someone a "happy thanksgiving".

And I personally do not give thanks for what I have on thanksgiving. I give thanks that the indians choose not to use fire-arms until it was already too late, hahaha! Had the indians won that battle... most of us wouldnt be here now, lmao.

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« Reply #1619 on: November 21, 2012, 01:47:30 PM »
I chose to be positive, to be happy, and to celebrate and give thanks for what I have and the people in my life.

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Good points Hale, youre definitely not wrong from "a certain point of view", but I must counter with my own near hippy view point. . .

  To insinuate that the tribes were victims of civilization seems to me to be a bit arrogant, suggesting that the civilization the native tribes already had themselves was not sufficient to meet their needs as a people for enrichment, shared culture, moral values, trade and such.

  There was already civilization here, it's simply that the "new coming" civilization to the land was much more organized and effective in terms of instituting "take over" policies.

   Personally, I find the manner of existence and culture of the Native Americans a far more rewarding and healthy existence for human beings than that which we currently reside in today.  That being said, do I want to go live in a tribe in a teepee and follow buffalo around? No.  I value science and pursuit of empirical truth and bask in the idle ease of a technologically saturated life, but the society the Native Americans had before we intruded upon it was no less valuable than the society we whitewashed and imposed upon the land and that has arisen today.

   Yes Thanksgiving is symbolic for much more than simply historical references or believed atrocities that accompany those references, I enjoy spending time with my family and loved ones and reflecting on the worth of it all, but I never like to allow myself to forget that every ounce of prosperity is at someone elses misfortune either.

   The world is a terrible terrible place, awful things happen to many many innocent people.  We all reap the rewards of these terrible things and raped innocence in some degree in the historical context.   I'd rather reflect and wish for those who've been gotten over on than focus on the fact that it's easy for me to fill a dinner table and gorge as a result of the sins of my fore fathers.

   That's all not to say that any approach/mentality is wrong, it's simply my mentality.  Not that I don't love a 4 day paid vacation, but that's the soulless capitalist whore in me.


EDIT: So there's no sarcasm or falsehood in my wish for a Happy Thanksgiving to all, but I also strictly oppose a sugar coated worldly outlook.  It could have just as easily been the identities we've grown to become that were born two hundred years ago in a land that would become known as America, and then, what exactly would we have to be thankful for today?

  It's the inherent offensiveness that goes with celebrating Thanksgiving without considering the morally reprehensible activities that got us to this point that I am opposed to.  But on a personal level, I truly do wish us all a great Thanksgiving! =)
  
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