OOC Chat

[SWSF Hoppus]

Now someone explain to me where the line gets drawn in all of this? Some arbitrary decision? Because for me, all of this is just as outrageous as handing over a world, even with a small defense force, instantly to an aggressor - at least make the "neogitaiton of surrender" take time, not just a one sentence fucking post.

[SWSF Eidolon]

  The rule of law is out the window at this point.  According to Ram, Dem and Hales words and actions, you just do whatever you want, provided you have the creative inclination to think up a whole entire sentence about it.

   Given the fact that I write paragraphs compared to lines and color coded dialogue coming from most others,  I'm going to be super generous to myself about it to.  Might even get some free money to use tangibly.

   Are we seriously considering this piece of shit meeting an SL requisite?

OOC Note: Milestone #2 SL

Jason signed the final piece of the document assuring Bakura of their construction contracts and their alliance with him. He placed the datapad down standing to shake hands with the various delegates and business men around him.

"This will be a new day for your people, one of peace and prosperity."
"We look forward to it. You will already find this years defense credits transfered to your accounts. Dont let our hard earned money go to waste admiral."
"You shall see the fruits of this labor quite soon to bolster your own defenses."

The men all walked from the room to the awaiting dining hall for the celebrations to follow.

TBC...

  Yes ram, I am bowing before your creativity.  I hope one day I can piece together a phenomenal written sequence with all the glitter, glam, descriptive depth and regalia of this.

   Like I said.  Why bother with rules at all then.  I don't know what planet you guys are from, but rules clearly state STORYLINE, a LINE is not one single post.  Or three posts of one paragraph each.  It's a freaking short story, you know, a couple pages printed?

   Wait wait, I get it.  In character Ram's Hero has carpal tunnel, so he can't type a lot, especially when all his keying efforts are reserved for OOC comments that make about as much sense as if they were in WingDing font.

  So ok, if you want Story to precede everything, GREAT.  Let's not count a 100 word summary as a freaking story then though.  You're going to have to put that near genius creativity to work.

[Dementat]

Geez guys, settle down  

Edit: And I have to agree on Bakura. Terrible storylining unworthy of credit. At least at Bespin I forced you to write something.

[SWSF Hoppus]

ANARCHY!!!!!

[SWSF Eidolon]

I was perfectly settled before people started pulling actions and explanations out of their assholes.  Inventing ideas and chalking it up to undocumented regulation.

Greg and I are merely demonstrating the problems of the points upon which the three of you have hung your hats.  You guys want a more free form and liberal interpretation, you got it.  You can count on me and Greg to deliver.

[SWSF Hoppus]

I admit to having grown frustrated with the responses and explanations for what I (and Jay) thought a pretty clear issue with a very clear resolution, which could be pointed to specific rules (or are they guidelines now?)

And yes we are being dramatic but serious in what the repercussions to "free for all" gameplay could mean -- it leaves everything too wide open and something that takes one player weeks to do and build could be undone in a n instant with a 3 sentence storyline.

But here's the big hitter, and final word from myself on the matter.

MY OFFICIAL AND FINAL OPINION

If it affects gameplay directly, as far as monies, units, or any other 'tangible' matter, follow the missions and rules to the letter. So if you are taking over a world and want to build on it, move its units or anything else, see the missions. Follow the milestones. To the letter.

If it does not affect gameplay directly, be as creative as you goddamn like.

And there is so much room to be very creative even using the missions. It has a system of milestones - but you can SL whatever you want between them - even threatening to destroy a floating city (Ramano could have followed the rules there and used that as his diplomatic gimmick, just via SL. He didn't because he wanted to exploit the rules and take over two worlds at once which was not possible if he were following the MISSIONs rules. It wasn't because he had a flash of poetic inspiration, so cut the shit. Creativity is limitless even using the missions.

And then of course you can just write SLs to write them if you want to get CRAZY creative. Like Erasmar and so many others. There is an ENDLESS variety of stories to write and weave doing whatever the fuck you want to do, so long as it doesnt have direct impact on tangibles (so no SLing a wampa rat with a nuke on its back infiltrating an ISD and blowing it up )

[Dementat]

Agreed.

Oh, and for the record, the Mrkyr surrender was not arranged between Ramano and I. I intended on handling the PDF myself and just strafing the surface instillation to death.

[SWSF Eidolon]

MY OFFICIAL AND FINAL OPINION

If it affects gameplay directly, as far as monies, units, or any other 'tangible' matter, follow the missions and rules to the letter. So if you are taking over a world and want to build on it, move its units or anything else, see the missions. Follow the milestones. To the letter.

If it does not affect gameplay directly, be as creative as you goddamn like.

And there is so much room to be very creative even using the missions. It has a system of milestones - but you can SL whatever you want between them - even threatening to destroy a floating city (Ramano could have followed the rules there and used that as his diplomatic gimmick, just via SL. He didn't because he wanted to exploit the rules and take over two worlds at once which was not possible if he were following the MISSIONs rules. It wasn't because he had a flash of poetic inspiration, so cut the shit. Creativity is limitless even using the missions.

And then of course you can just write SLs to write them if you want to get CRAZY creative. Like Erasmar and so many others. There is an ENDLESS variety of stories to write and weave doing whatever the fuck you want to do, so long as it doesnt have direct impact on tangibles (so no SLing a wampa rat with a nuke on its back infiltrating an ISD and blowing it up )

Thank you.  Agreed.  It's becoming one excuse after another and a series of unclear statements regarding a path forward.

At this point I'd like a carefully considered and weighted FINAL RULING from GM Hale that results in a conclusive interpretation of what exactly, the annexation rules/guidelines/lack there of are from this point onward.

Note that NR participants are unobliged to accept a RULING that makes distinctions between FREE FORM HOSTILE ANNEXATION and FREE FORM DIPLOMATIC ANNEXATION.  If you want one you must accept both.

[GallPizi]

I am happy I am just about to post for the first time and missed all this

[SWSF Hale]

Right now there is too much sarcasm and emotion on the table for me to consider anything at the moment. Let's stay rational people.

We have multiple planet take overs currently in process right now.. Raxus Prime, Myrkr, Sluis Van, and Rothana by the looks of it.

Myrkr is a Barren World so it is subjected to Expansion/Invasion as posted. Raxus Prime and Sluis Van are both under the Diplomacy Mission, yes? If ya'll want to pursue the Accession Treaty route (which takes half the time as Diplomacy), then you may do so at this time. I'm either going to do Diplomacy or Conquest at Rothana, so that leaves no planet currently being taken over by a player unaccounted for, yes?

I have to ask again for the sake of clarity, Greg and Jay: What is it exactly that you guys want? A game where players are bound only by Diplomacy and Conquest when it comes to taking other planets? Because this is what "enforcement" would mean to you guys right?

Or do you want

a conclusive interpretation of what exactly, the annexation rules/guidelines/lack there of are from this point onward.

...but wasn't this already given with the addition of the Accession Treaty and Invasion Missions?

I really do want to work with everybody on this one, because I think we can find an agreeable solution, I just want to know what kind of solution you're looking for.

[SWSF Hoppus]

We are happy with rules, what is nagging us is that you seem to "leave the backdoor open" in your previous responses - saying if players dont want to follow a mission they can just SL or attack their way through however the like (but get no mission related bonuses) -- which means essentially to take over a world you can just do a BS SL and claim you own it in 1 post. We want THAT door CLOSED. So you follow one of the missions and its timelines to take a planet or do dealing with a planet, period. You follow the milestones. You are free to use whatever story you want between milestones, to make it creative and fun, but you must follow milestones. In case there is any doubt, you must follow milestones.

[SWSF Hale]

If there was a "backdoor" that I implied to be opened, it was the ability to take over a planet using any means other than Conquest or Diplomacy. I apologize if the message I was communicating was "SL free for all", but what was getting at was Conquest and Diplomacy were optional. If a player didn't want to go the long-track method, then it shouldn't be mandatory otherwise. So now that we have that cleared up, I'll make a ruling.


IF YOU WANT TO TAKE OVER A PLANET, YOU MUST DO SO BY COMPLETING THE PRESCRIBED MISSIONS: CONQUEST, DIPLOMACY, EXPANSION, INVASION, OR ACCESSION TREATY. WHEN ALL MILESTONES ARE COMPLETED PROPERLY AND ON TIME, THE PLANET CAN BE ASSUMED UNDER YOUR CONTROL. ANY OTHER ACTIONS CONSTRUED OR DETERMINED BY ME THAT ARE ATTEMPTS TO TAKE OVER A PLANET USING THE METHODS NOT PRESCRIBED ABOVE WILL BE VOIDED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

[SWSF Hoppus]

You forgot to sign "-the management" but otherwise satisfactory.

[Ramano]

LMAO so in other words after whining and crying for 3 days now, the game just got turned into Empire at War just like Eid and Hop wanted. Congradulations, I will never again make another SL as you just rendered them pointless. Prepare for the extended math sessions of old I guess... how un-original. For the record, nice trap you built here. We join for an RPG and get stuck with a text based RTS... wish someone would have told me that before hand.

Edit: And for the record seeing as you just ruined the game, im going straight for Coruscant to end this now.

Edit Edit: Take at as you will, but I also think thats absolute trash the rest of us should be punished for 2 peoples pacifist SL cause they dont want to do any actual combat, but they expect 100 troops to take on a star destroyer to the death. Thats hileriously hypocratic in my opinion.

Edit Edit Edit: I would also like to point out, for throwing such a fit about people not letting you play YOUR sl the way YOU want to play it, your sure out to not let the rest of us do a damn thing Eid. Oh and way to act like me with the over-acting off the wall dramatizations.

[SWSF Hale]

Who said SLs are pointless? Many Mission Milestones have required them. It's still the same game as far as you're concerned Ramano, just now that stunt you pulled at the Battle of Tanaab Bespin now has a name -- "Invasion".