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OOC Cantina / Re: The Acolyte (**Spoilers**)
« Last post by SWSF Eidolon on July 08, 2024, 10:13:36 PM »

 I'm saying its inflated in to a large societal dilemma when it doesn't affect the vast majority of us at any age.  It's weaponized as an ideology when I don't think promoting acceptance of diversity is an ideology so much as basic human decency.

 When percent of the 300k you cite (google says 121k per Reuters investgation from 2017-2021 published oct 2022) are happy with the outcome of their treatments vs those who feel duped or wronged?  That would be the more telling statistics I think.

 I just don't buy in to the idea that if you show a straight kid enough gay material they will start experimenting with gay ideas and acts.  I mean we've probably all known a gay kid that was not self-aware yet right?  So is the right course of action to shame the feminine tendancies out of them or to let them do them and make them strong confident individuals?






Homelessness is a blight problem but beyond that, what are you supposed to do about people choosing to do drugs before paying their bills or not knowing how to manage their finances and mortgaging homes they'll never be able to sustain on or not being able to conform and work a job at all?  There are plenty of good paying jobs for people who want them.

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OOC Cantina / Re: The Acolyte (**Spoilers**)
« Last post by EmperorSeverus on July 08, 2024, 12:05:02 AM »
@Eidolon: If you're saying that doctors mutilating the F out of confused boys and girls' genitals is not the only problem in the U.S., you're obviously right, there are a lot of other problems too, like homelessness, human trafficking, etc. The list goes on and on.

But if you're saying it's not a problem because it only affects a small percentage of the population, I don't take your point. Something like one in every 500 Americans is homeless. That's only 0.2% of the population or 650,000 people or so out of a total population of ~ 330 million. But I don't think anyone disagrees that homelessness is a problem. More than 300,000 children in North America have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria, and that diagnosis is typically followed by puberty blockers, opposite sex hormones, and surgery for things like double mastectomies, genital mutilation, and even hysterectomies. Tens of thousands of children.

The difference between this problem and other problems is that everyone seems to agree that things like homelessness and human trafficking are a problem. But when it comes to mutilating the F out of confused children, suddenly they are not only OK with the abuse, they're celebrating it.

As for your question ("why not let them do their thing?"), I think you have to differentiate between adults and minors. As far as I'm concerned, it should be illegal for a doctor to mutilate the F out of any human being's genitals, of any age. Doctors are supposed to help people, not abuse them. But I hope you can at least see that children are not adults. Children cannot consent to irreversible destruction of their genitals and other irreversible damage that is being done to them.

@Syren: I respect the fact that you welcome dialogue rather than trying to shut it down. I think our country needs more people like you in both parties who know that talking to each other about complex things (whatever the issue is) is the right way to go, not refusing to listen to people with different views. That said, I think it's wrong to promote LGBT content to kids, and I stand by that.
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OOC Cantina / Re: The Acolyte (**Spoilers**)
« Last post by SWSF Eidolon on July 07, 2024, 10:16:34 PM »
Children's hospitals like Boston Children's perform double mastectomies on confused 14 and 15 year old girls who think they're boys when they're not and never will be. That is material harm, and it starts with a cult trying to add this **** to everything we watch. I'm not OK with doctors abusing human beings of any age, much less children. And I'm not OK with Disney telling kids it's normal and fun and cool. It's not normal and fun and cool. It's abusive AF.


Entertaining the concept, what is the actual effect and outcome?  on an individual and society level



Why is an issue relevant to 0.0001% of the citizen population so widely proliferated?  No one who wouldn't already want to do this at any age is going to go down that path, and if they do well ok, so what.  There are easily influenced simpletons walking around every town in this country that buy in to every pile of shit idea that fits their preconceived notions.  Go ahead and do that shit if you think it will make you happy.

The matter is really simply in allowing people of all sorts to feel accepted not influence anyone one way or another.

Even the vast majority of non-straight folks are not interested in taking medication to change themselves or undergo surgical procedures.  This is a tiny fraction of the alternate community even.



  This is an invented crisis seized upon by the right to weaponize 'the future of your children and your childrens children'.  The reality is this affects so marginally few people it matters absolutely zero to our daily lives or the future of our nation.  It is a talking point and a place to hang or swat away a moral cap but doesn't matter for anything material unless you are part of the marginal fringe it really does affect, in which case, why not let them do their thing?
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OOC Cantina / Re: The Acolyte (**Spoilers**)
« Last post by Syren on July 07, 2024, 08:14:42 PM »
Oof, big feelings!

I do not recall a character in this show, or any other Disney property, advocating for this or any other procedure. Acknowledging someone's existence or experience does not equate to coercing anyone to do anything. Besides, only one kind of story with only one kind of protagonist would be narratively boring. Variety is the spice, as they say. :-*
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OOC Cantina / Re: The Acolyte (**Spoilers**)
« Last post by EmperorSeverus on July 07, 2024, 06:56:58 PM »
Children's hospitals like Boston Children's perform double mastectomies on confused 14 and 15 year old girls who think they're boys when they're not and never will be. That is material harm, and it starts with a cult trying to add this **** to everything we watch. I'm not OK with doctors abusing human beings of any age, much less children. And I'm not OK with Disney telling kids it's normal and fun and cool. It's not normal and fun and cool. It's abusive AF.
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Dark Horse Comics really delivered. Tales of the Jedi: Dark Lords of the Sith was my favorite.
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OOC Cantina / Re: The Acolyte (**Spoilers**)
« Last post by Syren on July 07, 2024, 06:35:18 PM »
Heeeyyyy - that sounds more like personal bias than anything else. What material harm would such a character or story cause you? Not all stories are for or about or representative of your experience. That's cool, other people's stories still have value despite not being something you connect with. But by all means, do you.

Both Lucas and Disney have taken questionable creative swings but that's par for the course and should be expected for any creators and their interpretations and evolution of the source material. Not everything has resonated with me and I remember thinking that during the "special edition" re-releases how silly some of it seemed. Still, then I remembered how much Yoda's introduction and messing with Luke/R2 made me giggle as a kid. That shit was a riot! So, some of it is meant to be silly. Some serious, redefining, or even intentionally nebulous in the creator's quest to tell a story.

However, re: unique story value. It's a huge universe and a sweeping timeline. Not everything needs to connect to something larger, in my opinion. That was kind of the fun with Mando - set within but its own story and journey with other elements influencing their motives/decisions. I do like it when things add context to what we thought we knew or believed, as many of the new (shows at least) have done. Andor is the most compelling thus far in my opinion. The tension in that is palpable which adds dimension to what it took to rebel against the Empire, not all of it good or even entirely honorable. I didn't really get into the Clone Wars animated stuff but respect it for filling in those blanks since actually a lot of shit happened during that time. Rumor is the legends/questionably cannon entity known as the Abeloth will appear in Ashoka S2 which could really dive deeply into the esoteric nature of the force and how it manifests/how others interact with it. I like darting into creative corridors for a little adventure.

What I do know, for better or worse, Lucasfilm was an investment and investment needs return - that's, like, the core tenant of business. So, while I appreciate different creators as fans who get to tell their story, there will always be influence by the powers that be to profit from it. But to the fans, inside or outside of SW, success isn't always measured by commercial success but instead by how it captures our attention and imagination in this concept we all love so much.

Wonder how the Acolyte will wrap things up but interested to see what Hedland and team are looking to impart with this offering.
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OOC Cantina / Re: The Acolyte (**Spoilers**)
« Last post by EmperorSeverus on July 07, 2024, 06:31:08 PM »
Han shooting second destroyed a character. For one scene. Disney has destroyed Star Wars period.

It's only a matter of time before the hero saving the galaxy is a man with lipstick and breast implants. And a boyfriend.

I'm done with Disney, and I canceled Disney+.
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OOC Cantina / Re: The Acolyte (**Spoilers**)
« Last post by SWSF Eidolon on July 07, 2024, 04:04:52 PM »
I dunno, Jar Jar and Vader having built C3PO and immaculate force conception and Greedo shooting first and Han being scared of Jabba but stepping on his tail because it gets kids laughing, that all happened under George's latter visions before the House The Mouse Built took the reigns.

The executive creators under disney have taken A LOT of inspiration from Legends as we all knew it and consumed and tons from the WEG books as well.

Dave Filoni is a fan who worked toward and got his fan dream job.  I don't understand how anyone can openly consume Filoni wrttien material and feel wronged.


Andor was amazing.  R1 was great movie and strong OT tie/vibe.  Solo is aging well imo, I enjoy more every time I watch.  Bad Batch is good.  Ahsoka was cool.  Obi Wan was decent.  Mandalorian was of course a commercial hit and I thought it was good and the EU galaxy it depicted was sweet, just not my overall fav with the Mandalorian culture/struggle focus of the core.

Acolyte is ok.  Though, I'm growing puzzled by the era choice to invest the time and money in to it when New Jedi Order movies with Rey will fill the same product marketing premise which is get more kids to want to be jedi.  Im prejudiced anyway naturally that they went old history jedi stuff but used Marvels High Republic era inspiration instead of the old DH TOTJ stuff.  It's a bad feeler for how awesome those could be in close screen adaptations



Episode 7-9 of The Saga, not so much a fan, I will go with you there- they ruined the OT arc, but by same token R1 and the diirect run in to OT was way better than I-III for the sake of OT Purity but ranking all later materials.




But this was all expected anyways when Disney acquired.  There are some gems, take the good with bad.
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OOC Cantina / Re: The Acolyte (**Spoilers**)
« Last post by EmperorSeverus on July 07, 2024, 08:09:30 AM »
Disney has destroyed Star Wars.
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