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COMMUNITY => OOC Cantina => Topic started by: Syren on August 03, 2022, 04:43:37 PM
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Ok, so. New trailer. Gotta say, for a show I was like whatever about when I first heard the announcement, I am actually pretty excited for this. I mean, it looks visually stunning but also looks to get to the heart of the forming rebellion.
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You prompted me to finally watch the trailer just now.
Wow.
Very cool and very excited for this. R1 is some of my favorite material since Revenge and a more common Rewatch for me than anything outside of OT, and this looks like a big ole expansion on that perspective.
Also a 3 episode premiere? NICE. Movie night.
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I really enjoyed Diego Luna in Narcos. Wouldn't be surprised if he nabs an Academy award in 5-10 years.
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Holy FUUuuuuuUUUCK! That looks amazing! Can't wait!
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May I just say...wow.
Those first 3 are solid, I'm invested. No spoilers, obvi, but some questions.
Corporate Zone = canon Corporate Sector?
Corpos = canon Espos?
Also, gritty and compelling, a bit edgier than typical Disney SW property which feels right given the subject.
Very excited to see where this leads.
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I got first episode in. Is awesome. Gritty 'realistic' presentation.
I do believe the Corporate Zone is a port of Corporate Sector Authority. I also love the vision of it so far here. The ship that crashes on Andor's home planet, the look of it seems to be a long cylinder..
(https://i.imgur.com/r9ZtxDN.png)
Invincible Dreadnought, WEG CSA Sourcebook.
Maybe, maybe not, but it would be pretty cool tie in to see that ship that crashes turn out to be this guy. I haven't delved in to any of the established lore yet, but seems like maybe Cassian was born and has lived in Corporate Space for awhile.
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Mon Mothma. I want that outfit, I want that apartment, not so much the husband (I have IT-guy who is pretty cool), all the things. Scandal and subterfuge in the galactic capital. That is what I was wanting to see: live-action Coruscant again with the political trappings and costumes. Love. It.
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Just finished ep 3.. very good!!
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Mothma's fam kinda suuuucks. Outfits on point though - need that whole wardrobe.
Andor is probs (for me) one of the best live-action representations. I am not going to say that all SW shows need to be the same because that is not true. Tonally, they should be different from one another because the characters are experiencing the events in different ways and from different perspectives. It should feel different but I very much enjoy the sparks of action and the building sense of dread from within the Empire around what they will come to discover is the Rebellion. It does paint the picture that the Empire invaded and stripped these worlds of resources for their own gains, leaving people behind in their wake. Makes sense there would be animosity and rage. It serves as a fabulous picture of various people's "why" when it comes to wanting to rise up against them.
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Agreed, Andor is really good. Rogue One as well. It like the GRRM take on Star Wars space opera. Also, Andor just has had fantastic actors. Stellan Skarsgard and Diego Luna just lift the entire thing to a new level, but really I can't think of a hammy acting job if I'm honest.
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All caught up. Enjoying it A TON.
I think what grabs me the most about it all is it feels like real people instead of characters made grand enough for the stars. Just the background and sense of unique purpose for each person that appears in a scene feels heavier. This ISB chick especially feels quite compelling.
One tickle me moment was Mothma dropping Ars Dangor and Ghorman when discussing guest list with her husband.
While I always liked the movie a lot, I did not give Diego Luna the proper credit for his role as Cassian and the character in R1. But I'm growing to love him.
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Happy new Andor episode day to all who celebrate
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Halfway thru my anxiety is fuuucked
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So fucking good, never felt star wars so intensely!
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That show fucked me up
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So I got to being interested in whats up with a tribe of children on the planet Kenari and looked up Wookieepedia before I got my own ideas too entrenched, and best they say is the tribe of orphaned children was the result of various plunderers stopping by to presumably trash pick mining infrastructure/equipment.
I hope we get a better formed flashback than that description!
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Happy belated Andor day. We have guests, so kids are sleeping with us, so I haven't been able to watch it yet :(
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Really loving the show so far. So good to be back on Coruscant.
It's definitely a slow-burner, but in a good way. Unlike Kenobi which could've perhaps been a cinematic release, Andor's episodic flow is very justified since there are so many interesting angles and characters.
Also, this may seem odd.. but Major Partagaz (the ISB commander) is one of the healthiest work supervisors I've ever seen in a story. Sure, he's working for the Empire and is a bad guy, but professionally he's top notch. Great blend of being tough yet fair and supportive.
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I try to enjoy it all but I do not have to try for this gravy. Ep 7 casts a great post heist climate and sets the table for escalation. With 5 more episodes to go in S1 and an S2 between R1, Tony Gilroy will have created an amazing character saga and GCW chapter.
The ISB focus has been pretty awesome, I would have thought that dude higher than a Major but he is pretty dynamic, and this whole shift and defining moment in the Rise of the Rebellion is good story stuff. Cassian will have become a mythological hero of sorts by the end of R1. This dude has not been shown to carry an ng/ml of midichlorian but has done as much for the Alliance as the divine blooded Skywalker, without any of the grave setbacks (yet) !
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Watched it the other night. It's wonderful stuff. Love the ISB focus. Love the Cassian character. It's wonderful stuff. Can't wait until Wednesday.
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One more day until Andor day! I'm going to be sad when this season ends.
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I am too. So sad. Enjoying this ride.
Compelling and complex characters? A glance at the galactic stage under Imperial control without focus on the Force? A fully realized lesbian relationship without being heavy-handed or exploitative about it? Political and familial drama? Here. For. It.
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Ep 8 was good continuation. I will say it is not my fav episode of series thus far for Cassian window portions and that while overall the direction is cool, some of the specifics about the imprisonment are just like 'really? nice boots guys', but still overall the net this series casts is by far the best entry in the modern catalogue to me.
It looks like the young zealous CSA investigator with the insufferable mother is going to get some redemption. This guy was a tool up until this episode and now I'm excited for his next move.
I have seen a lot of newsfeed highlights claiming that Andor is the worst viewership thus far. If true this is final straw for any semblance of relationship between me and humanity in general. ;p
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Yes, but that is only because most people have no taste. They want it easy, mindless, fun - but after the past few years, I cannot blame them. Such things do have a place but should be balanced with something slightly more cerebral and stimulating. Star Wars is expansive which naturally makes it complicated. The prison stuff is likely to influence his full turn and involvement with the Rebellion. It is also interesting that they highlight the cost of resistance - both through credits to fund this effort as well as the loss of life. I've read comparisons of Luthen as the Rebellion's Palpatine, knowing the price but plowing ahead anyway because they both believe it is justified. Right does not always mean good. It adds a nuance to the group presented to us as children as the "good guys". Also, does anyone else feel like Vel is totes Luthen's kiddo? I'm getting vibes.
Fear not though - it is already greenlit for a second and final season which links it to R1.
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I enjoyed that episode, did a wonderful job of communicating the anxiety and panic of the incarceration. You know next episode is going to pack a punch.
The boots were a bit silly, but its easily forgivable. There's so few goofy/hammy bits in this series compared to all the entire prequel trilogy, obi wan, mandalorian, and boba fett. Its intense but its still star wars.
If this really does have the poorest viewership that's super disappointing.
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Also Bix is a babe.
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Also Bix is a babe.
you noticed the dynamic movement in that chase scene too huh? ;D
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I've read comparisons of Luthen as the Rebellion's Palpatine, knowing the price but plowing ahead anyway because they both believe it is justified. Right does not always mean good. It adds a nuance to the group presented to us as children as the "good guys". Also, does anyone else feel like Vel is totes Luthen's kiddo? I'm getting vibes.
Luthen gets it. Revolution is dirty business.
I didn't catch any offspring vibes between Vel and Luthen. I think Kleya came to be in operation with him through some sort of turned tragic relation. Perhaps he saved her somehow. But her pushing Luthen to cut the Fennix/Ferrix link was clutch and gives her good strength/influence, the fact she plays a larger role as well being a contact and sort of spy/emissary for him is of note to. Shes more than just an ancillary of Luthens at this point for sure.
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Bix is a babe. Andor is no slouch either.
What I noticed about Kleya is that she was one of the only people to hold sway over Luthen so that relationship is deeper than it appears. You may be right with the tragic backstory or perhaps it is the other way around - maybe she saved him somehow. Either way, stalking around Coruscant in a scarlet hooded cape and heeled boots is literally the only thing I have ever wanted to do as a child. Secret meetings and cute outfits? Shiver me timbers.
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God I love this show.
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Agreed.
Interesting twist on the Mothma fam connection. Syril is turning out to be quite the stalker/simp. I am getting major Tarkin vibes from Dedra's office twink.
Excited to see how this all plays out.
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aw man, big big episode of awesomeness
Dedra and Syril 4EVER! I didn't see that very nicely cut-in waist line rear view coming when she finished soaking up his clever flirts and strode on.
The thickening of Vels ties was very interesting.
It's definitely a strange tone from Mothma to this point from what I would have expected given how central and figurehead she becomes later in Alliance and NR. Shes more like the 'Opposition' vs. a Rebel yet. She also seems very human, timid and unsure, not a rock but an eventual benefactor of acts and courage the less known real heroes, cool contrast to her somewhat otherworldly presence in ROTJ (at least I always thought she sort of spoke and acted apart from a typical 'base human' in the galaxy in her screen time there, distant like she lived in another world/galaxy inside her head)
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Any guesses as to what they are building on Narkina 5?
Death Star components? Probe droids?
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DS components would seem most story probable, I don't remember if he had knowledge of the DS in R1 already before becoming tied to Jyn but if so, the factory prison would be a good tie in either way- a place that he somehow caught a glimpse/found out about the DS or an unkown tie in that he ends up helping destroy what his incarceration helped him build.
If he gets out of the Factory Prison without some kind of grand discovery or a-ha, it leaves the whole stretch kind of pointless other than to vaguely illustrate the repressive means the Empire goes to which is fine and dandy, but to be the only point of it? nah
when I first saw the components they build though I wanted them to be parts of ATAT drive or leg joint assembly or something, but they def have that Probe Droid torso look
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WOOOOOOOOOO!
It gets dirtier and dirtier. I love it.
What a great climax and resolve for the prison to. "One way out."
The jewel moment though, Luthen and Lonni scene.
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So goooood. Love the irony too — i cant swim. All about sacrifice in this one. Hits in the feels
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Oof, yeah. That exchange between L&L was...enlightening, to say the least. Also, leverage your kiddo to finance the Rebellion? Choices, choices, darling. None of them easy.
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So fucking gooooood and only one more episode in the season!!!! They need to do all future star wars like this. Please god please
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BAH. I am not thrilled about a starship with lightsabers. I feel like that was one lazy/geek move that veered from the rest of the tone and feel of the show.
OTHERWISE, still amazing.
Do you guys think Saw is really not going to help Kreegyr somehow?? I chuckled when Luthen referred to Benthic as 'Tubes', recall him being referred to as such in a comic issue before. Always nice to see that these show runners are given the same resource material to build/borrow on that we have been consuming.
Seems like Ep12 is going to be centered around the Spellhaus raid and Maarva's funeral on Ferrix.
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Yup, show down and conclusion at Ferrix, and this between the prison and what he finds at Ferrix, he becomes completely radicalized to the cause.
I really wish that all Star Wars were in this vein going forward. Give me endless stories without Jedi, please. Give me Wraith Squadron but handled like Andor. Give me anything.... that isn't the dogshit of the prequels and final trilogy.
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Yeah, the lightsaber starship threw me and lends credence to the whispers that Luthen is somehow connected to the Force. I was hoping they would not go there, considering R1 was about the grit behind the mission, but modern SW cannot help itself sometimes. It has to feel like a Star War or it's not a Star War. The emotional pull for me in this ep was Vel's realization that her involvement in Aldahni now has very personal and tangible consequences/Mon understands the Empire's tyranny may be worth risking alienating her fam. Lots of emotional gravity that I hope sets up a solid finale.
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Easy killer! It's all part of the Universe! It can't all be Han and Leia ESB dialogue or "I am not your failure Obi-wan" moments. Silver linings abound sir- truth be told, Hayden Christensen released me from feeling annoyed by bitchy ANH Luke.
I saw in rumor blurps about Luthens potential force connection, but I was interpreting the genesis of most of that to being the apperance of starfighter lightsabers in this episode. Given that Jedha was mined for Kyber crystals and Saw was on Jedha (if not now, by R1) and Luthen is always talking to Saw, I spose it stands to reason that he could get ahold of some easily. I do hope they don't give him force touch.
BUT- I don't think it lines up with his character. He's dark and cold and grimey and willing to get dirtier and has already sacrificed himself for the cause, if he is Forcie, he's certainly No Jedi!
Agree totally that the new deep dynamic of Mothma's role now in the Rebellion is very cool. It's much more real than to simply say she's this epitome of ethics and morality and has the best interest of good people at heart and she's this paragon of virtue senator. Nope, shes been bank rolling the Mujhadeen since day 0.
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Well, shit. Let me roll over and light a cigarette because I am sat.is.fied.
Again, maintain my position that not all SW shows should be like or be the same - there is a time and place for swashbuckling space adventures and culty wizard antics - but it should be balanced with shows like Andor that bring both context and nuance to such a grand universe. There needs to be emotional gravity to anchor the stakes in the realities around the larger, galactic narrative. And Andor delivered on that consistently.
The post-credits scene was clutch and should serve as a whetting of the appetite for a final second season that will bridge the gap to R1.
*chefs kiss
Loved it.
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Holy fuck. So fucking good. Goosbumps. Great finale. Love this show. So many wonderful actors in this, the writing is wonderful.why does it have to end
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Also soundtrack was so good!
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SYRIL IS REDEEMED!!
Good tale. Great final Luthen Andor scene and also the post-credits reveal of what the prison was building was sweet. The whole dynamic of the DS's construction is very enriched by that and gives Cassian's total experience/character use a very poetic series of circumstances and deeds come his end with Jyn on Scarif.
The Mothma/husband interaction in the car ride was interesting- it was definitely a cover for eventual revealed banking irregularities, but was he in on knowing that her accusations were for that purpose or is she playing him cold and his reaction to her being lied to his genuine perspective?
Also, did it seem to yous that Luthen was already having reservations about killing Cassian as the funeral procession was gaining steam and as the unrest began to unfold? It felt to me like when it flashed back to him on the stairs he was having moments of his pragmatic approach being flooded by idealism... Cinta was definitely more consumed by a fixation on the Imperial personnel on Ferrix than necessarily killing Cassian it felt.
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Rescue by way of stalking is not redemption. Syril is a creeper to the max with supes incel vibes.
Mon's husband (aka Manbun McGuilicutty) does not seem in on it and seemed genuinely surprised by the accusations. She threw that man under the proverbial bus because she knew the driver was listening and, in doing so, made him indirectly responsible for the arranged betrothal of their daughter to cover his "debts." I doubt she would bring him into her confidence given his penchant for cavorting with her political enemies at parties and such. He is but another tool she must use, although she was likely hoping never to use her daughter - it be like that sometimes.
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I agree that Mon Mothma had the conversation because she knew the driver was listening; great cover/explanation for the banking maneuvers she made. Also don't think husband was in on it.
Overall, I liked the season. I think the first five episodes were too slow. I think Disney recognized that, which is why they released the first three episodes at once - not enough happens in any of them, and they probably thought people would lose interest if they only showed one or two episodes. Ep 4, nothing happens either.
The show really picked up with the attack on Aldhani for me. From then on, even the non-action sequences felt like they had consequence.
Love Luthen's character, the depths; the amazing tricks on his ship (well, everything except the lightsaber-like laser beams shooting out of them). It had a lot of the vibes of how smuggler ships are described in the books, with false transponders, and methods of avoiding detection or capture. I loved how he had to put on a fake persona on Coruscant.
Syril's character is stupid. He tried chasing Andor (against the directives of his superiors, btw), caused a ruccus, lost his job, and was a pathetic waste of storytime for the better part of episodes 4-12.
So, he save ISB Agent Dedra Meero, which means ... what? Dedra doesn't really need character development - she is the villain, afterall. She's not going to turn good, she's not meant to. Syril doesn't help her character, and they really didn't add anything by putting her in a position to need rescue. Take him away, she's just as cunning as she should have been.
Liked the ending - Andor confronts Luthen. Doesn't threaten him, just tells him he's in. Perfect.
And of course, Andy Serkis is the most underrated actor of all time, never getting his due for playing characters where he puts his entire being into voice and motion. Loved him in this, and most of the other roles he does.
Liked the post-credit scene. A part of me thinks the death star is too far along for five years before it's completion - it looked like everything was built except the super laser disc, which, gets installed in Rogue One.
Maybe the prison-break slowed production? By a lot?
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When a stalker rescues you from the clutches of people who are going to beat you to death with bricks of baked dead people, you thank that stalker with a kiss god damnit, not just quiver with confusion in his warm tight unyielding grasp. :P
Besides- Ive got a feeling Dedra likes the stalky type. Otherwise she's doing the stalking, it's in her nature, its why shes good at her job, but that role reversal- she digs it. Finally someone who can keep up with her little subversive games and misinformation campaigns. :)
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I agree with Med in general RE Syril being a bit of a waste. He needed to be there to create the initial trouble that pushed Andor into the hands of Luthen, etc. But we could have dropped him from there. I would have preferred more time with Cinta or Mon or anyone else in the show.
Also agree that Andy Serkis was f'ing phenomenal, I'd love him to come back in somehow and have survived. Seems a waste of a great actor :P
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I could not diverge further. We are taken on a journey with Syril as much as with Cassian and are shown the intimacies of his background to the extent of getting to know his mother just like Maarva for Cass.
From zealous corporate officer with astute investigative acumen to a choking field commander in the moment of deployment and the embarassing failure of that operation and made a scapegoat, to being sent home to that god awful mother of his having systematically chipped away at his confidence from child hood to adulthood now, to having to accept a family favor career post and SOMEHOW mustering the drive and courage to say F that, not accept defeat and to carry on with the mission that has already rolled over him once- and to do so by going through ISB??
Serkis felt like a personnel play more than a vital actor component to executing the character. It was one dimensional and the whole distinct value was the 'I can't swim' moment. He is steered entirely by Cassian only because he is otherwise a road block to insurrection vs. poor Syril who did not even have the encouragement of his own mother :(
If Serkis had his way that Death Star dish would be done a lot quicker =P
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re: Andor v Syril; the making of a Rebel v the making of an Imperial? Being radicalized from opposite ends of the spectrum?
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Sorry Eid, you're wrong :P
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Tony Gilroy says otherwise in S2 when we are getting the other half of the Andor and Syril Show! :P
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Welp gonna have to find time to write/sim until next season now.
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Acvepted. If you want you can write the bit as the Recon YWing pilot that crashed on Endor in my Forest Folk thread =P
The woks send a war party to investigate the disturbance and see imperial ground detachment descend on crash site and wipe it.
This will be first encounter or sighting ewoks have of imperial presence on their planet and in their skies before DSII taking shape yet
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Andor is the best live-action Star Wars since ROTJ.
Also, hello again, you lovely people. :)
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Agreed, and ahoy matey
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Been streaming the Andor soundtracks on Spotify while working... so fucking good. Might be enough to get me writing...
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Now that the Season 2 trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE4wxt70aUM) is out, who's ready for the revolution?
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So ready for this.
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Oh wow. Yall is still here?! How is everyone? Hope life treating everyone well. Just sitting here at 2am an ANH came on. Made me think of you guys. Kind of surprised this is still here actually.
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We're still here, doin our thing. Why surprised? This means many things to all of us in different ways. Hope you are well, Ramano.