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COMMUNITY => OOC Cantina => Topic started by: SWSF Eidolon on January 01, 2022, 08:23:43 PM
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I enjoyed Ep1. My sole minor complaint is the 6-ped sand lizards body style. Made me feel like he should be fighting gojira.
But the Sand Folks are portrayed awesome and the Gamorreans are super sweet- probably my favorite supporting cast so far.
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Ditto on the enjoyment. Super sweet is exactly how I would describe those Gamorreans. I still have the original figure my parents got me as a kid. They were like, the pig man? Really? Uh, ok. That and (they also had a slightly exasperated, skeptical tone) Bib Fortuna?
My only ish with any SW media is that they tend to focus on dusty, rag-tag groups not anyone from a posh Core world whose life gets thrown into turmoil by the galactic happenings. It's the grizzled and world-weary anti-heroes that are like yup, Republic's/Empire's laws/tyranny are no good out here. I like oblivious, entitled randos being swept up into vast conspiracies. Obviously. I want to see SW glamour as a dichotomy to the injustices that permeate the mid and out-Rim. Now, I have not watched everything related - Rebels, Clone Wars, etc. - so maybe they cover it but it would be nice to have a fabulous yet casually indifferent blonde as a central character constantly muttering "seriously, wtf?" as these galactic factions and various syndicates duke it out around them. Hilarious!
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Ditto on the enjoyment. Super sweet is exactly how I would describe those Gamorreans. I still have the original figure my parents got me as a kid. They were like, the pig man? Really? Uh, ok. That and (they also had a slightly exasperated, skeptical tone) Bib Fortuna?
My only ish with any SW media is that they tend to focus on dusty, rag-tag groups not anyone from a posh Core world whose life gets thrown into turmoil by the galactic happenings. It's the grizzled and world-weary anti-heroes that are like yup, Republic's/Empire's laws/tyranny are no good out here. I like oblivious, entitled randos being swept up into vast conspiracies. Obviously. I want to see SW glamour as a dichotomy to the injustices that permeate the mid and out-Rim. Now, I have not watched everything related - Rebels, Clone Wars, etc. - so maybe they cover it but it would be nice to have a fabulous yet casually indifferent blonde as a central character constantly muttering "seriously, wtf?" as these galactic factions and various syndicates duke it out around them. Hilarious!
I think that was supposed to be the vibe of SW Episode I: Naboo was a rich world with insane wardrobe, and vessels with very sleek lines, getting thrown into turmoil. Coruscant was all politics and glamour no substance as well.
The galactic civil war uprooted all of that.
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Fair enough - maybe that is why I liked Ep 1 when others did not. The outfits and political intrigue.
BoBF takes place on Tatooine....again. Like between that and Jakku they are set in the most barren planets. You've seen the SW galactic map - there is no shortage of cool and interesting worlds to explore but they seem to go with what they know/what is familiar. The Mandalorian at least hops around a bit.
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Agreed regarding planet diversity, but at the same time in the past treatment of a given planet at times also felt like gloss overs. I enjoy diversity but I appreciate the deep dives as well.
I can't imagine they don't stray from Tatooine in BoBF and Kenobi with at least flashbacks and such because otherwise both 2022 series centered there it might get a little dry. :D
Jabba's enterprise had to expand beyond Tatooine itself and if Boba means to reign in all of it he'll need to go there. I'm holding out a burning hope that they touch Nar Shaddaa. Next 'sode is tomorrow I think!
S3 of Mando I believe is going to heavily lean on Mandalore, with as much as it's been shown in the animated series, it will be very awesome to see it in Live Action portrayal.
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I'm excited for both series and seeing where they lead me.
Tatooine I think holds a special place in Star Wars lore - the home of Luke Skywalker/Anakin Skywalker, and the most wretched hive of scum and villainy.
BoBF should expand to the rest of the Hutt controlled territories, but at least in episode 1, it looked like he was trying to gain control of just the one planet. The Hutts had more in the books, but on screen, they've never really left Tatooine, except for a few minor appearances in Clone Wars/Bad Batch.
I've often thought about the lack of bio-diversity in the Star Wars universe, not between planets, but on specific planets. Tatooine is ALL desert, Hoth is ALL ice, Coruscant is ALL city, Endor and Yavin are ALL jungle, Daogbah is ALL swamp. It makes it easy to distinguish worlds, but we know most planets have multiple bio-spheres.
Naboo is again an exception, given it has grasslands, cities, swamps, and a massive underwater eco-system.
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About the biosphere diversity, i think we are missing a point. These are very specific planets, out of billions upon billions that would exist in that galexy. Perhaps they were chosen precisely because they are what they were. More habitable biospheres would have already been developed. Yoda picked Dagobah because it was ALL swamp and no reason for anyone to go there. Tatooine was destroyed 10s of thousands of years ago by the builders. All in all it kind of makes sense.
Even in real life. Sure earth has many biomes, but Mars is ALL desert. Neptune is ALL ocean. Io is ALL ice. You can kind of classify Venus as ALL swamp... depending on how loosly you use the term "swamp".
Not saying you are wrong or anything, just pointing out there are some variables i feel you are overlooking in the equation that make it a plausibility.
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Comics are nuts. Single issues of Marvel Star Wars series where Black Krnnsatan (the Wookiee) originates are going for like $100+ on ebay now after he popped up for seconds in BoBF.
He looked somewhat CGI though, haven't looked deeper in to if it was or if was real and just looked that way.
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That's not uncommon in the world of comics. Any first appearances tend to fetch more, especially if they debut in live-action to renew interest.
Second ep was solid. Hutts are super gross. Really want to know what Tusken's look like under those masks in a cannon capacity.
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3rd episode felt ... off? maybe it was too slow. Or something.
SPOILERS - DISCUSSING PLOT
Maybe it's how the mystique of Boba Fett wears off because he is always taking off the helmet, which is what made him cool in the first place.
The fight scenes were ... eh
The new street gang that joins him I feel like could be fleshed out. They are instantly loyal to him, but there could be more depth there. A lot more depth.
The hutts were involved for all of an episode, now gone?
The tusken raiders are now gone, so the build up with them meant - what?
I just feel like they keep promising, but then let us down.
He's Boba Fett, the most feared bounty hunter in the galaxy and now he's just a guy who is trying to control a dusty planet - wait, not planet, PART of a dusty planet.
It's starting to feel like a let down.
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Those are all legit critiques of this latest episode. The townie gang was kinda lame. The whole lack of any reverence for the helmet lore is odd.
Regarding the expectations of whole mystique of BF though as we knew from ESB/ROTJ, that was unraveled back in EpII when we found out he's basically an altered Kaminoan Clone of whom there are hundreds of thousands or millions of basic genetic copies.
I don't have a ton of complaint about the scale of his ambition or conquest at this point. I mean he doesn't have a ship yet tmk?
Overall, Boba himself doesn't really grab me as a character in this yet. But the rest of it has all been pretty cool, Seeing a bustling desert urban enclave and all kinds of sweet aliens and personalities. Hutts, Rancors, a new look on Gamorreans, Black Krrnsantan. Thats all been good
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Overall, Boba himself doesn't really grab me as a character in this yet. But the rest of it has all been pretty cool, Seeing a bustling desert urban enclave and all kinds of sweet aliens and personalities. Hutts, Rancors, a new look on Gamorreans, Black Krrnsantan. Thats all been good
Maybe that's what it is. That Boba is the least interesting character in the show. I'm a huge fan of Fennec Shan (and Ming-Na-Wen, who is the only Disney-hat-trick member that I know of, having played Disney 'princess' Mulan, Melinda May in Marvel, and Star Wars Fennec Shan, but I digress), but I keep thinking "why on earth is she working for him? She repeatedly shows more skill both in fighting and politics than Boba does!
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but I keep thinking "why on earth is she working for him? She repeatedly shows more skill both in fighting and politics than Boba does!
could she be the female tusken raider that teaches Boba the way of the gaffi stick?
although she appears in Bad Batch as Fennec Shand and is hunting 'Omega', female child clone who is with the Bad Batch, so timing wise she would be out and about in the galaxy back in the Order 66 days, then at this point Post Endor, have gone back to tatooine with her 'people' to be that sand person teaching Boba
there are fight scenes of her as Fennec in Bad Batch, I wonder if theres any percieveable similiarity between how she fights there and how the 'female' tusken fights in BoBF..
given Jon Favreau's history in MCU with all the tie-ins, would not least bit surprise me
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Yes, Boba Fett was never very interesting. He was just a bounty hunter. The only real "interesting" thing about him was his ship was called Slave 1. People thought it was cool. In the middle of the cooling off period after the civil rights push someone said the word Slave. OMG!
So i agree, and add that there is the real possibility that Boba ends up being the least interesting least developed character in the show.
Full disclosure, i havnt been a big fan of SW since Disney took over. I think the new movies sucked, the only one ive actually liked was Rogue One. Seriously they arent even trying. Episode 7 might as well been a rewrite of A New Hope. Dont even get me started at the entire armada chasing the lone MC100 across the galaxy. For christs sake microjump half the battlegroup in front of them and slaughter them in the crossfire, how dumb could those commanders be?!
Love him or hate him, it is demonstrated time and again, you cant do StarWars without Lucas... No one else has the mindset to pull it off. No one in Hollywood anyway.
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Mystery made Boba Fett cooler. His backstory was tragic, yes, and it shaped him into what he became.
Cannot believe I am going to say this - but I agree with Ramano about SW post-Lucas, for the most part. Rogue One, by far, had the most emotional gravity and came the closest to what I felt as a child watching the original trilogy. The others lack something without him, although Mandalorian lands nearest in proximity to what they were designed to be - space westerns. The visuals, music, characters, etc. BoBF has similar elements but he is far from a compelling character.
Also, Ming Na Wen all the way. Agenda of Shield was my jam and Disney did those folks dirty on disavowing them as canon. FitzSimmons forever.
Holdo Maneuver was the absolute pinnacle of fabulous. Kamikaze in a designer gown? Now that's class and a lady always knows when to leave.
I will die on this hill. :-*
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The thing about Lucas they cant replicate is its HIS vision. Everything he did, he saw it in his head first. Then made it come to life through cinematography. He didnt care about budgets, production quotas, or time frames. It wasnt about the money.
Disney is nothing but money. It exists only as marketshare and liquidity. They have no vision, they have no creativity, they just make money. No heart, no soul, only a budget with mobility. The only thing left magical about the Magic Kingdom is that it still exists at all.
So yeah, i wouldnt expect much from this franchise in the future unless your a fan of Michael Bay movies. (All explosions, no substance)
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Oh come on now. It's all a division of pining for nostalgic allure or accepting that the original feeling is related to a time and place in life more so than the object itself.
Lucas made Ep I, II and II, did they measure to Ep IV, V and VI for any of us who grew up on IV-VI? No. You can pull any number of seeming stupidities out of IV, V and VI if you really wanted, but it's got a nostalgic force field around it protecting it from the same valid critiques of everything that came after.
I don't expect anything to make me feel like a rebel soldier looking through macrobinoculars upon a lumbering ATAT in the snowy distance ever again, and I'm fine with that. I just want some immersion. BoBF is getting that part of it done.
I will agree that R1 is prob my fav live action material since Disney. Clone Wars Season 7 was really good and I liked Rebels a lot and Mando was awesome. I like Solo also.
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Ok, so I do not disagree with you there on the nostalgia bit but the swell of the binary sunset/skywalker theme gets me every. single. time. Right in the feels. Is it tied to that initial feeling/memory/place in time? Perhaps. But there is something more as well, something that I think connects all of us who love SW in whatever capacity. Not all sagas resonate with all people but this one did. Diminishing that connection for a cash grab feels cheap. No story or movie is perfect but I think the fans really yearn for something that honors that in new and different ways. Not all are successful in that and therefore I understand the outrage.
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Actually outside of the gungans, i didnt mind I and III. II did suck though. Was definitely not Hoth thats for sure. But this new stuff, you can just feel the cash grab. Shotty writing, lazy choreography, just a bunch of big special effects. Which in and of itself wouldnt be bad, but for StarWars it requires more. More what, could be any number of things, but none of which will be cared about by Disney. Its a shame but what can ya do?
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Everything is a cash grab in entertainment or production and it has to be because if it doesn't make a shit ton of money its considered a failure. Somewhere in there we hope for a little sanctity for art or a few systems to slip through their fingers.
Ep VII-IX were rough and I'll probably never watch them again by my own hand.
The rest of it, I either enjoy for what it is or love it.
Almost everything I can think of done by Filoni I've enjoyed, he is definitely a hardcore fan, and I have not been let down by Favreau in totality at all yet.
But arguably, aside from the original creators in Lucas/McQuarrie/Williams, Filoni has contributed more to the SW Galaxy/Universe than any.
NEW THOUGHT SLIGHTLY MORE ON NICHE TOPIC..
It just dawned on me..
The Book of Boba Fett.
I don't think it's just a story name. My good buddy Jon would not do that. So perhaps, regarding the character Boba Fett himself up to this point in the series, there has to be a Book coming in to play for him between now and end of season. Maybe that Book will make it all feel more on key and make us be like "Daaaaamn, Jon saved Boba!"
Maybe. Shrug
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I think you might be misinterpreting what i mean when i say "cash grab". I mean, i recognize that all of it is done with the intention of making money. What i mean is when they dump filth preying off the name. Projects that had no effort or care put into them, only produced as franchise filler. For A New Hope, Lucas reshot literally every scene until they got it "right". Disney, they dont even care, just get it done so it fits in our every 6 months launch window. And you can see the sloppiness of it.
<shrugs> Im just off on a tangent cause i really dislike the Disney corporation. As Gollum said "Stupid fat hobbits, you ruins it!"
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I think you might be misinterpreting what i mean when i say "cash grab". I mean, i recognize that all of it is done with the intention of making money. What i mean is when they dump filth preying off the name. Projects that had no effort or care put into them, only produced as franchise filler. For A New Hope, Lucas reshot literally every scene until they got it "right". Disney, they dont even care, just get it done so it fits in our every 6 months launch window. And you can see the sloppiness of it.
<shrugs> Im just off on a tangent cause i really dislike the Disney corporation. As Gollum said "Stupid fat hobbits, you ruins it!"
But Disney also owns Marvel, and while not every MCU film is great, their continuity overall, most of the individual films are decent quality.
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I get you. I can't say there haven't been missteps but for me that's been mostly exclusive to the final trilogy.
I tried but couldn't get in to MCU, but I respect the hell out of what they've done and it's epic proportion.
No super hero film set exceeds Tim Burtons Batmans.
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MCU for the most part i dont like. But i never got into comics either. I like ironman, so anything with him in it im ok with, the rest i could take it or leave it. Loki was good, credit where credit is due, but most of their series stuff just sucks. Political statements with a $100 million budget.
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So..this was the Mandalorian but Book of Boba Fett? Yet Bobes never even made a cameo. Made me miss Mando, that raspy ass voice, and sullen attitude. So emo. He needs to get laid.
And, for the love of gods, did I just watch the beginnings of the goddamn pod race? I had literal flashbacks to my shock and horror watching that shit as a late teen in the theater.
Right now, Shand and Mando are the most interesting things on BoBF. He needs to step it up and get a personality and a worthy quest stat.
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I've been rereading the Dark Horse Boba Fett Omnibus that compiles most all BF centric stories from the DH era.
In doing so, it's interesting to see a mix both of the Din Djarin/Mando persona and the Book of Boba as we know him now, personalities of him expressed in that tome.
They shouldn't be letting anyone besides Cam Kennedy illustrate SW though. Wow. I've always been very familiar with his TOTJ and Dark Empire work but seeing him do Boba Fett tales is awesome.
Episode 5 was decent. Intrigued to see what Mando and Boba together looks like. If anything negative to say, I'm just annoyed that it was deemed acceptable to reference sexuality between humans and jawas but it was necessary to drop the name of Bobas Firespray for fear of offending those unable to separate word use in one reference to the same word use in another.
I've already accidentally heard a couple spoilers for Ep 6 which I will catch tonite, but it sounds like the brief 'break' in Ep 5 will not be a moaning point for the BoBF haters after.
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Um, holy shit. That escalated quickly. Solid. Will not spoil but yeah. Wow.
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Great GREAT episode. I actually rewatched it immediately.
Is already chatter of eventual temple spin off series.
I disassociate myself with all previous light critical reviews of this series. In Favreau MCU fashion, it's all going to be connected and a series title does not constrain the scope of the story it's telling.
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I wish his skin was a deeper blue... but I'd be lying if I said that wasn't awesome.
Syren, you said previously "Now, I have not watched everything related - Rebels, Clone Wars, etc. - so maybe they cover it" I hope you have tried to correct! I personally did not watch either until both shows were complete. Clone Wars was definitely a slow burn, but solid payoff. Ahsoka is easily my favorite character in all of Star Wars now, despite never existing when we imagined our worlds. (unrelated: I may or may not have an Ahsoka ultrasaber...) Beyond that, while I preferred the original Zahn trilogy it is now considered Legends. The new trilogy is pretty good and includes elements of what you are looking for, but perhaps not the whole enchilada. I listened to them on audible along with the Ahsoka novel, they used the same voice actors which was excellent.
Eidolon, I agree the shows scope is questionable. The Boba Fett parts have been less than spectacular. However, I'm willing to go with it wherever it leads because Filoni and Favreau have not let me down so far.
Fuck, I can't believe that I'm still talking about this shit almost 30 years later... I miss you guys more than I'd like to admit.
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Well.
That was quite possibly the most fun I've had with a SW property in years. Really pulled out the stops in these last three after a sluggish and meandering start.
No spoilers til others have a chance to view and digest but that mid-credits scene made me very happy.
Wheeeeeee!
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That was definitely fun. Few parts of the season I wasn't crazy about but in total now that it's complete it feels like a good entry in to the catalog.
Honestly the most unsavory part of it all to me is the fashion/look of the local vespa scooter gang. I wish the Pikes and Bobas would just have teamed up to get rid of them.
The Remnant/First Order has got to be coming for Grogu again in S3.
Who was the dude acting fishy around Marshall Vanth in the Bacta Tank in the credit cutscene?
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That was the mod guy who fixed up Shand earlier, likely getting ready to do the same for Vanth.
And, coming soon, in a galaxy teeming with diverse planets....we get to return to the barren planet of Tatooine for Kenobi. After just spending most of the time in Fett on Tatooine (broken up by the quick jaunt elsewhere), and previously on Mando. Time. For. A. New. Setting. I know, I know, it is familiar and has emotional value but constantly drawing from that well makes it less so.
Unpopular opinion, I liked the mod gangs threads. Not the look of their speeders which seemed clunky in motion but they had cute outfits and Jesus Christ does Mos Espa need the pop of color.
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Yeah the Tatooine fixation is getting a bit awkward now. Hopefully Kenobi manages to mix in some flashbackstory to get out and stretch our legs a bit and Ahsoka never sets foot there.