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THE GALACTIC ARCHIVES => SWA Archives => Retired Game Archives => SWA | After Jakku => Topic started by: SWSF Hale on May 29, 2018, 05:44:56 PM
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For all OOC discussions relating to the game.
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So the "After Jakku" timeline = 5 ABY in the EU2 universe (http://swsfonline.com/index.php?topic=1220.msg16277#msg16277 (http://swsfonline.com/index.php?topic=1220.msg16277#msg16277)). My initial reaction was to say let's go EU1, but on second thought I actually think it's an exciting time in the EU2. The Empire's in disarray, just as in the After Endor timeline in the EU1. Pellaeon hasn't been introduced as a character in the EU2 yet, but one can imagine that he is playing some sort of role in the aftermath. Luke hasn't checked out yet, so the whole Luke\Han\Leia\etc. crew is still around. Should be exciting.
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"SWA is going to be a wild departure from AE"
I got a bad feeling about this...
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I wish you came to the forum earlier this year! It's not that I disagree with you in principle, but we have strong evidence that in practice, a simming game like AE just does not work for the forum members. Thanks for your candor.
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I think we get something, ANYTHING running. A real game. Show activity. And then we can draw more old timers back as they see activity and how things are progressing. Once we have a forum that has life again we can look at other, more complex ideas.
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If you want old timers, you need rules based on IGE\AE rules. And don't quit on it. People who quit on Galactic Flashpoint will quit on something else. Let's get a modified AE warbook and a core group that's not going to quit and then launch.
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I appreciate the drive for that rule set but we simply don't have the UMPF to make it go. We have tried, ad nausem, for years.
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I would rather launch with 4 people who won't quit on an AE-based system than 8 or 9 people who won't quit on a system that departs wildly from AE.
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What is factional structure gonna be? Limits per player re # of units (large caps) controlled?
NR and Empire only
NR and 1+ Empire Factions
NR, 1-? Empire Factions, Indep/Fringe?
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We're going to mix Legends & New Canon together.
After Jakku, galaxy is in chaos. Anything goes.
Imperial Remnant (Coruscant is still the capitol)
New Republic (Chandrila/Mon Calamari are the power bases)
Hutt Syndicate (Nal Hutta)
Trade Federation (more so a resurgent CIS, but can accommodate anyone leaning towards the fringe)
If unplayed, factions will become NPC.
Players will start out GCW style, playing for their "team" but only "in charge" of a single system + small fleet (e.g. single ISD or MC-80).
Imperial players can go for Thrawn/Pellaeon/Pestage/Isard or play up Snoke or some other Sith Lord.
Republic players can do the Heroes Club or some other character of their own making.
WHATEVER!
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Sweeeeet.
I'll do Hutts.
The lack of an unrivaled certifiable central power in the galaxy for the first time in millennia has awakened an eons old principle and yearning biologically imbued in Hutt-kind. Before the monopolized Core-centric power of the Galactic Republic and subsequent Galactic Empire, the Huttuk Kajidic (Hutt Empire/Great Clan/Hutt Kind) was the largest 'organized' power the galaxy had ever known. Slowly eroded by the ever-growing Republic and contained by the Empire, the deprivation of their glory and suppression of their might over thousands of years has been but a brief lapse in the assumed order of the long-lived megalomaniacal beings rightful dominion over all the lesser creatures of the galaxy.
Granee Huttuk Kajidic. (Grand Hutt Clan/Grand Hutt Empire)
"Let them marvel at our splendour, let them cringe at our power, let them feel the weight of our chains as they serve their rightful masters"
Can i suggest 'canon' names to a handful of ship specs as borrowed from the aforementioned likes of FFG games and such? I will supply a brief verbal synopsis of their make up and abilities and translate them to SWA spec format as you deem fit?
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I will probably go NR..
Or Hapans maybe? 8-)
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Or Hapans? 8-)
Weeelll in that case..
Hey baby
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Goodie that I got Hutts, don't even gotta dig up a new Avatar!
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Alright i saw Solo a 2nd time last nite and a 3rd this morning. It's grown on me more and thats not just the fact that emagines only sell like 24oz beers at smallest even in the AM talking.
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Probably gonna stick with IR as usual. Thinking about taking my character in a new direction though, we'll see. I've been doing the "reform the Imperial Senate" motif for too long.
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After much reconsideration I'm going to do either an IR warlord guy with Scarif or Kessel as start base
OR do an NR internal faction beginning with Kashyyyk and the Wooks who are pissed the NR as a whole didn't push on and finish off the Remnants. =)
Just feeling like the whole AJ post Concordance Galaxy is the perfect place for the factionalized NR/IR game as opposed to the external Hutt actors I was going with initially. Also going with a more Movie source group in the above choices I'm mulling.
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I need time to digest the rules and setup stuff enough to pick out starting things. I am guessing I am going to do a extremist "NR" group, but hopefully find a way to put them at odds with everyone as they are just too militant and too out there in terms of ideology... More to come on that soon. But I am fucking LOOooOoOaaded with work again! Yay 12 hour days! (thanks god for the money because i was unemployed 5 months last year!! but 12 hours are killin me!)
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If you need any help getting set up let us know. We can go digging for pics and stuff if you need it.
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Looks like we got ourselves an Imperial Civil War sim brewing... lol. #ForTheEmpire
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Definitely looking interesting...
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I'm going to try to jump in tomorrow with my rebel forces... which I'm still settling on a story angle for.
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Hop, you gonna pass on Dathomir?
If so, cool. But, it's not too late for me to work in a last-minute story option for non-Imperials.
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No I will get in barring life emergencies. Tomorrow hope to post.
I'm trying to decide if I want my communist-terrorsit rebel alliance angle or something more traditional NR since there is no other rebel faction present!
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Okay great... I'll be sure to modify the initial NPC SL post to give your faction an angle.
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Like what you did with those 6 TIE Interceptors Hale ;)
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Kansas City Shuffle.
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Am I the only one with my VSD miniature from Armada sitting next to me while I post about my VSD's exiting hyperspace at Dathomir...
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I sold all my Armada gear awhile ago to take up Legion, but I'm still painting those little buttholes. So many games so little time.
X-Wing 2nd Edition is out in September. I rarely played over last year and only have Scum & Villainy gear anymore but am considering an ebay clearance and getting back in to it for 2nd Edition and sticking to TIE Swarms and Rebs.
So many games, so little disposable income!!!
Such an under-highlighted aspect of simming. =)
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If there's one thing to pen & paper games like ours... it's that they're free!
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Amen Hale.
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Entirely possible I won't get to post at all tomorrow should my turn come around at Dathomir. I gotta cook 30lbs of chicken, brats and burgers and own the croquet field.
I will get it done without a doubt sometime Thursday!
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Hoppus, did you mean to exit in X-2 with Eidolon's First Order fleet instead of X-4? Gutsy move by the NR, man. Respect.
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No I hadn't read in detail all posts yet. I changed it :P
Also thank you hale for all the help. Finally getting some things moving and gonna try to piece together a faction thread over the next few days.
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We're going to have a game or two on this forum now dammit!
One day at a time. One post at a time.
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Can capital ships make tactical preparations when there is no combat going on? My question is related to all the ships about to exit hyperspace in our command systems.
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If no combat, then no tactical preparations.
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Thank you.
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Hoppus, if you're going to fire on my VSD's, would you mind posting a home world? :)
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I believe the kids say "shots fired."
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Sorry -shrug- you were the only one in range :D
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also thank you hale, that rewrite cleared up a lot of things for me. appreciate you taking the time to do it.
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Hale, can I get a ruling on whether the VSD's I have sitting at Dagobah can enter hyperspace and join the fight at Dathomir?
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Hale, can I get a ruling on whether the VSD's I have sitting at Dagobah can enter hyperspace and join the fight at Dathomir?
I would think not. Dathomir is a sandbox warmup with units that dont count? But I may be wrong.
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I agree with the ruling as it relates to my initial understanding that all units used here would be hypothetical, i choose to go with my actual start fleet just for the sake of stretching them out, my question is thus though..
Given that we are treating the Dathomir campaign as a hypothetical in terms of units existing there and losses there and then further considering the rewards of it..
Does it make sense for the reward of units that carry over in to the game? I.E. if the units we lose at Dath are 'Fake', how can we gain 'Real' ones?
The idea in story of losses one of us has suffered at the hands of another certainly carries over in to what we do moving forward. So it's sort of muddied I think only in the idea of what a player losses, what is leftover, what a player earns to keep in campaign, and all of that then carrying over in to the "real"..
..to be fair I'm 3 pints of porter deep so feel free to discount my over analyzing tendancies..
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#moscowmule
Suppose for sake of argument that the units at Dathomir are very much real. In fact, my opening storyline takes that approach -- those twin VECs I'm using are considered part of Tempest Squadron, but beyond the scope of the units I've declared for my initial startup. The idea is that our factions are always bigger than what we're actually working with in any given post. So, in the grand scheme of things, Dathomir is a side show.
Given that there is
1. No "real world" losses incurred during this battle, and
2. There are "real world" gains you'll accrue at the end...
I think the overall situation is more than fair.
NOW, this isn't to say future Campaigns won't be open to outside involvement (in fact I'm counting on it), it's just Nightfall is set up specifically to give everyone a little push out the door.
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I'm cool with that.
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Eidolon and Hoppus, please add the story lines to your post when you get a chance.
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Since the Ruby Dawn survived (albeit barely), I expect that it can fire up to full AP one last time at the end of next round per the rules before getting destroyed. Might want to keep that in mind as you approach the landing zone. Note also the ground forces that will be waiting for you once you land (6 units already deployed + 3 units still on the Ruby Dawn at the moment).
Hale I hope the hostile ground forces you had planned for us aren't reduced to adjust for the above...?
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Gonna take a look at things and make sure the ground scene is scaled appropriately.
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Given the rapid rate at which everything was destroyed, just throwing out that if we want to see more opportunity to make moves consider doubling all CapShip Durability scales for now.
I smoked an ISD almost with my max fleet alone, which you could argue that 3 Heavys and 1 Med could do great dmg to a Large like that, but it still possibly serves the chance for tactics to emerge a bit more if engagements are lengthed a little.
If this were only 1 player attacking 1 ISD, 4 CRVs, it'd still be down to 4 CRVs after 1 massive volley from a total fleet.
Just throwing the idea out there though
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My thoughts exactly. I did feel as though Caps were getting blown away too quickly. Spec adjustments will come after the Campaign is finished.
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FYI, without Hale's 6 DMG to the Conquest, the Conquest could have survived like this: with the +5 AP from Lady Kalia (wasn't used, but let's use it in this hypothetical), not using 3 AP on getting into Attack Position, and firing just 6 turbolasers instead of 12, the Conquest could have recharged 7 shield points and survived to the next round with < 1 HP armor like the Ruby Dawn (34 shields + 7 shields + 28 armor = 69, then 69 - 68.75 = the Conquest survives with 0.25 HP armor and fires 6 turbolasers without the +1 UCR, so 9.6 DMG from an ISD to a VSD). Then it could have fired the full 12 weapons with the +1 UCR at the VSD Audacity next round instead.
But with Hale's 6 DMG and total damage coming to 74.75, there was no way for the Conquest to survive even with the +5 AP from Lady Kalia and even if it didn't fire any weapons at all.
I'm OK with doubling shields and armor as long as it means doubling shields and armor both (not just one or the other), and as long as it's across the board for all cap ships, and not increasing by x for an ISD and y for a VSD and z for a VEC, etc.
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Well, this is why we're having the battle -- to work out kinks like HP. =) Round 2 update coming tonight!
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In agreement with Sev, double Armor/Shields for all Capships across the board.
I'm not sure about Fighters/Aux as we didn't get to see much from them.. Im sure you have a good handle on the relationships of the scales Hale to know if they should be touched yet or not
GAV/Inf remain to be seen entirely from some action I spose?
So far good learning battle. I like the more game integrated spin on the mock/test aspect. Just learn as we go along and adjust, and of course apply to FP as relevant
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Moving the OOC discussion from Dathomir here. So NR gets points for destroying IR. No penalty for breaking the concordance? ;) Anyway, I assume that means IR gets points for destroying NR as well? Last question: What about IR vs IR? Seeing as how we're not one big happy Empire anymore...
Please also clarify what the NR is doing at Dathomir from a campaign perspective. Glad they're here, was just hoping for some kind of story angle.
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The secure imperial distress channels aren't secure anymore, TNO only happened to have monitored them, not still actively used them themselves. NR elements would have easily had access to old imperial channels nowadays. Despite being neutered itself, I would say in the story angle galactic scope, apart form even whatever Hoppus controls himself, in the AJ story angle the NR is the somewhat prevailing force around. The will be weak, but they will be a joint group, where us all us Remnants of the Remnants are extremely isolated (Bespin, Scarif, Dagobah.. nothing incredibly stand out ish). The NR itself could be considered to be Chandrila, Kashyyyk, Mon Cal, Sullust, Bothan space, at the very least along with whatever-tf Hosnian is/was.
NR showing up at Dath is in story enough just that they are monitoring those channels and are butting in. I bet they could use an ISD!
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The story is as Eidolon suggests. We picked up a distress call. The Wraith Squadron sent its squadron of capital ships there to create disorder and snipe at imperials who are going to be attacking each other. Then to escape as soon as possible without risking themselves too much.
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And the concordance?
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My group are "rogue" and a more extremist cell of the alliance/nr that are operating similarly to the resistance - on their own, outside of the NR and the concordance. Much like the imperial factions you are all representing.
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Oh right. I remember you were going for that angle. That makes sense to me, thanks.
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Ive lost track of the post order at dathomir - who is up next?
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Eidolon. Unless he's attacking you (doubt it--distance), he can post whenever he's ready without waiting for me to edit my last post.
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I'll get it started tomorrow during work day and hope to finish by tomorrow evening, if not it'll be up in early Sat AM hours for sure.
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Just wanted to say... low and slow gaming is better than no gaming. We can get through Dathomir, repolish the rules and specs, and then commence brutal cut-throatery. =) Thanks to everyone for playing.
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All good here!
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am i next at dathomir?
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yarp
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derp! ill try to post today no promises my wife is batshit insane today.
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So a regular day then? =D GOOD THING WIVES DONT SIM. *whew* (EXCEPTION - Syren and Rinny)
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Wife left last night, nanny's kid is sick didn't come today. So I'm not gonna have time to post today or tomorrow (wife comes back Wednesday).
SORRY!!!
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Possibly i can post after kids are asleep tonight i will try!
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::holds up hand::
First of all, I was simming long before I was ever a "wife." Second, all wives are kind of crazy just as all husbands are kind of dicks. It's part of the gig. Marriage is the union of finding an acceptable and mostly enjoyable balance between crazy and dick. Third, shut the fuck up and play. It's been years of you hashing out specs. I know this. I've been here. Reading it all. Surely by now, you've found a compromise to satisfy all parties within our limited availability as functioning adults.
Love you, mean it.
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SWA AJ is mildly adult functioning and moving along. The hashing is in FP folder.
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We are a family
of a dysfunctional sort
so grab a glass
and fill it with port.
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portER
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*pokes Hop*
*POKE-POKES HOP*
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Sorry, family disintegrating, verge of losing my job from not being able to work (because family disintegarting).
May just post taking all damage and everyone leaving that cna. Dont' have time or mental energy to play atm.
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No disintegrations.
Family first brother. No worries on this end, we always here.
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I will wave the GM Magic Wand and pick things up for you Hop. You can bow out. Cya next time.
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Thanks and sorry. I enjoy the FP stuff as a distraction when i get a minute to bicker about rules but right now family situation is pretty messed up and im gonna be all over the place until we get things sorted out!
Thanks guys.
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Sorry to hear that, Hop. Wasn't trying to be a bitch. Just giving you guys shit. Do your thing, family comes first.
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Didnt take it at all like that or anything. Sorry, at the moment the other day I was just having a very hard time and vented a bit more than I like :P
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FYI --- Won't be able to manage Dathomir until Monday. Taking summer exams atm. =) Have a nice weekend.
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Seems I'm the only one whose purchased ships have exited hyperspace at my home world so far.
Could everyone who hasn't done that yet please do so?
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Seems I'm the only one whose purchased ships have exited hyperspace at my home world so far.
Could everyone who hasn't done that yet please do so?
Roger wilco.
TBH I just assumed it happened. But, point taken.
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I kind of crossed up some concepts in using my actual start fleet at Dath. I sent them away from Scarif in story, tho never with points, so Id considered the "real" ones still there, while the new built stuff i assumed was just there when you got it.
Will define presence of VEC I built at Scarif shortly as Im sending it to kessel after a showing interaction there but havent had time to write the two little story sections i want to for that.
Will get Dath PDF done as well first though by tomorrow evening to get it moving.
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Sorry, I was incapacitated with my head in a bowl all day yesterday and getting my legs back through most of this afternoon. Getting to work here now..
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Words can't describe how great it feels to be involved in SWSF again, and to open the board and read about the ISD Vanquish exiting hyperspace at Bespin, or what the Nightsisters are doing at Dathomir, or whatever. Now if we could just get Syren to write some short story posts now and then in AJ ;) Even just a few sentences...
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I will cut you.
If and when it feels right, I'll consider it. For now, I do as I damn well please.
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Not so fond of being cut, but I definitely liked this paragraph in the latest update to the Crimson Covenant:
"If he has someone running around hacking up Jedi, wouldn’t you want to know? I mean, it would play a factor into how we operate here on the ground. It would also mean he’s keeping things from you too, his most trusted advisor."
Very cool.
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Thank you. Manipulation at its finest.
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Can I get some points for the TNO ATSTs I killed with the Rancors? ;D
Haha. Those Rancors gave the AT-STs and uppercut and then leg dropped them.
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Yo, I'll get my Dath post up tonite or tomorrow during the day for sure.
I'm going to do a little practice skrimishing with my VEC once I get it to Kessel against some hodge podge fighters and small ships and stuff. Being that it's entirely an NPC/self-controlled/self-selected endeavor, is it cool if I treat it like a hypothetical mock in that the shit I may lose in battle there isn't "really" lost once all is said and done?
As said basically just some practice battling against myself with some light opposition. Will be sure to make the "Hypothetical/Mock" aspect of it known in notation on the posts themselves but otherwise was going to treat it IC as a little expansion exercise.
This ok with you guys?
ALSO
Re: Next Campaign Start. A little between time would be nice to work on some side work/story in AJ. That and I will be out of town 18th and 19th (Sat & Sun) If possible, could we push start of it back to 8/25? Since we will be finished on the 11th with Dath, this sets a 2 week interval then between the 1st 2 AJ campaigns which I think is a decent pace and a solid benchmark we can all be proud of reaching!
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I think for purposes of IC storylines, the Dathomir event is "real" (because it will result in somebody building an OpCent there). But any and all interactions could be "mock simulations" or masked as "rumors" in the press.
And it looks like Sev has a final post at Dathomir anyway.
Next campaign is going to happen slowly. It might even last 2-3 months. There are some stories Sev and I will run in the in-between time.
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Action post at Dathomir currently under construction. I'll post it as soon as it's ready in an hour or so.
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Okay, just so everyone has a chance to post, I'll delay the NPC Final. Can't wait to see what happens!
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Passed out, posting now...
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1. Severus --- Everything checks out. Learning the ins/outs of combat is why we did this. Thanks for being flexible and editing as needed!
2. Eidolon -- I believe you are up to bat!
I knew the combat rules, I was just really tired. When I edited the post, I caught some other things too, like a missing deployment for -1 AP, etc. Thanks Hale and Eidolon both for your patience.
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All good.
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No sweat, I feel like Im missing ten things on every post I make and that if I don't it's by sheer luck. ;p
Re: Final TNO post - My Mom is in town and staying at house tonite so I prob won't get to finish post but will be starting it. It'll be done tomorrow daytime!
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Well, I've done it now... female on female action.
Only on the CW.
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Hot.
Inclusivity is important and underepresented in current canon.
In our storylines Valerie, Reef, and Lucas were bi, Felicia was lesbian, Rydan and Scott were gay, Trace was queer, Preston is gay and Roman is a questioning/queer Chiss.
We're only missing one of the letters which hasn't been explored...yet.
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Yass queen.
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Inclusivity is important and underepresented in current canon.
Doctor Aphra, Marvel comics series originated character. Though she even has her own SDCC excl Hasbro Vintage Collection figure now. She is lesbian. Also a huge fan fav, cool character. Stellar archaeologist. Indiana jones/tomb raider. She was introduced in the 1st Vader series and then got her own series, so there's probably 20-30 comic book single issues that feature her as the central character and if are in to collected editions I'm sure there's a Doc Aphra Hardcover or TPBs from Marvel already. Prob digital on the cheap also.
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What comic books are good? I feel like grabbing something with a kindle edition (in south america still)... not new canon shit, EU, possibly clone wars or older but prefer something during GCW and post endor... recs?
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By far the best of all the series so far since Marvel take over of license has been Darth Vader. There are 2 runs. The 1st was 25 or so issues, 2nd is probably back to that point. It is a fantastic read and done by some of marvels best contract writers and artists.
Aphras own series was really good.
Lando's 1st series by Charles Soule was awesome. Probably coolesy portrayal of lando ever. He's romancing a woman whos a moff in it. I haven't read his more recent ones.
The regular Star Wars flagship title is ok but, some of the story arcs in it are not enjoyable for me. The ones above are pretty consistently good in entirety.
The Poe Dameron series is really interesting for glimpses of Resistance/New Order conflict. There's a sweet story arc in it that uses Leia and Cato Neimoidia becuase is a Vault world. She is storing a collection of her mothers priceless dresses (forget if mother meaning Amidala or Organa) in one of it's most distinguished vaults. But it's a play for a purpose. That was the best story arc for me enjoyment wise anyways out of it. The series butts up before Force Awakens to so it all actually gives a very cool backlog to the galaxy up to then and makes one feel very well informed.
Every Marvel comic has Disney stamp on it, sooo, i'd assume everything they publish is now canon
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Ill check out Vader stuff first. Thanks.
Id prefer to get the physical books but while down here, i think Ill just get the electronic versions.
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Story-wise, Dark Empire is a must read since it contains some major points in terms of EU history.
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Re: Not New Canon stuff Hop..
There are collected format stuff from the Dark Horse years that Marvel reprints in a series of TPBs called Star Wars Legends Epic Collection. There are several series in it, The Rebellion, The Empire, The New Republic, The Old Republic, etc. They're probably 25-35 a piece and contain between 12-20 single issues a piece from the respective eras and material originally published under Dark Horse.
So you're looking for..
Marvel Star Wars Legends Epic Collection Rebellion vol 1, vol 2 etc
" " The Empire vol 1, vol 2 etc
You will pay up the butt to collect the original DH collected prints. Same with Dark Empire for a quality original DH printing. As Sev said it's the definitive early EU title with waves far beyond comics tho! Ever since Marvel acquired it ALL SW DH stuff soared.
DH did a whole Rogue Squadron series that ran for a long time also, I'm not entirely sure if Marvel is reprinting it in any of those Epic series yet though.
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That sounds like exactly what I am after. Thanks J! :-*
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Hurricane Florence is really cramping my style. Gonna try and get more campaign details rolled out for weekend after next.
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A little wind and rain. The real question is whether the power will go out. Hopefully not...
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Either way, stay safe.
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Thanks Syren.
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Winter is coming... to the SWA galaxy.
Get hype.
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Don't look now, but it looks like the Hapes Consortium is trying to expand their influence beyond the Inner Rim !!
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Ahead of schedule no less!!!
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Hit me up if you have any questions about what *exactly* you should be doing for the campaign. This first Act is intentionally ambiguous.
Xim's Holocron is the McGuffin (for now). Everyone wants it. You should want it too. Go get it.
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Have many Rainbow Gems is it worth? 3? I can only dole them out in mated pairs so you'll have to take 4. Keep the change. 8-)
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Slammed at work. Should be getting an SL or two up by the end of the week though. Gotta make it tasty.
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I will eventually be back here. Lots and lots of crazy in life at the moment. Sorry guys.
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We'll get to it when we get to it! =)
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Hale -- can you go ahead and drop the next campaign on us? We can catch up our non-campaign budgets any time. Let's do this.